[Asterisk-Dev] The hardware codec integration

[Bruce Ferrell]

As to who I am?  I'm a professional trying my damnedest to get up to 
speed on this stuff.  My check depends on it.  What I've gotten from 
"prime" movers is flat statements with no substantive information to 
back them up.  Jeremy is not the only one.

Before it comes up, I do work for quicknet.  I've had my own share of 
grief with those damn cards... Because no one will say out loud what the 
problems are and what possible solutions might be.  I'm tired of beating 
the same path that others have beaten.  None of us has all of the 
answers.... Collectively, we have the ability to move VoIP forward just 
like linux has moved forward.

This stuff is NOT, repeat NOT rocket science.  The hard parts are the 
codecs and basically the government sold us all down the river on that 
one.  H.323 and SIP are simple message passing protocols... Nothing 
more.  This piece of hardware vs another?  It's just hardware.  I'm just 
saying lets keep the rhetoric out of the process as much as possible.

The even harder part is acknowledging when there is a problem so it can 
be fixed.  The latest cisco loads are sending out information in the 
H.323 call setup that's making stuff based on openh323 barf...  Reported 
yesterday on the list.  The information should be ignored by openh323. 
Will it be fixed?  I know the attitude over there by the "prime" movers 
is that cisco is always wrong so I don't know.

Is this really a problem?  Again I don't know.  When I ask questions of 
"prime movers", I've gotten rhetoric and tirades, not references and 
answers.  We're all in same camp (at least I think we are... I might be 
wrong).  Can we all work together to makes this move forward?  Can we 
bring new people into the fold?  I think it can be done.  But not with 
"sound bites".

I've been in computers and telecommunication for over 20 years now... 
Linux for over 10 years.  I'm not new to cutting edge stuff.  What's new 
to me in the arena is the withholding of information and the nasty back 
stabbing I've been treated to in private conversations that I won't 
publicize further.

And for you Brian, I'll ask the same question I posed for Jeremy:  What 
exactly is wrong with the cards?  What generation of card and what 
drivers?  You're right, it is an evolving area.  Is it the version of 
card that you're having a problem with.  I know the original driver 
sucked hugely.  It's been re-written and much better now.




Brian Capouch wrote:
> Bruce Ferrell wrote:
> 
>>
>> I, for one, am sick to death of the "strong personalities" infesting 
>> VoIP.  I have yet to get a straight answer from even one of the gurus 
>> on what's right and/or wrong.  I'm not interested in supporting one 
>> camp or another... One product or another... I want to see all this 
>> stuff work together.  Ethernet does... Telephone stuff does.  VoIP 
>> seems to be broken up into little bitty fiefdoms of gurus trying to 
>> make sure that none of the others get's an edge and holding the 
>> community hostage.
>>
> 
> Jiminy Christmas, dude.
> 
> If I saw one of the other prime movers of VoIP software taking on one of 
> the others like you do here, I might consider the attack justified.  Who 
> are you?
> 
> Yes, there are a lot of strong personalities involved in VoIP, just like 
> there are a lot of strong personalities in many of the other areas of 
> emerging technology I try to keep up with.  It goes with the territory.
> 
> My advice to you would be to take a chill pill for a few years.  Maybe 
> you could do some ASP development, or better, get involved in 
> .NET--monopolistic  control of the technology means you won't have to 
> deal with the personalities, the uncertainty, the competing ideas in the 
> marketplace.  IMO you aren't cut out for this particular segment of the 
> industry.  Come back when all the fun is over, and the technology is as 
> mature as TDM or Ethernet.
> 
> BTW I have four Quicknet cards that I have been trying to use with 
> various VoIP technologies over the last three years with only the most 
> modest degree of success.  Basically, they're overpriced junk.
> 
> Why don't you support Asterisk, and buy Digium?
> 
> B.
> 
> 
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