<div dir="ltr">Yes, I agree with you in some aspects, outsourcing is not for everyone and it is not an option for every position, but, most (if not all) of the programming tasks can be perfectly completed having a remote worker. If that's not possible, then you probably have some problems with the way you design your software.<div>
<br></div><div>If the company happens to be a VoIP company, you should have a way to communicate to your team mates living outside the city or the country via the technology you use everyday to develop your products. If you can express yourself via a video chat and a web cam pointing at a blackboard, that is not a problem of your worker living abroad, it's a problem of the way the speaker communicates his' ideas. You would not be able to fix your communication problem having your employee next to you in a meeting room.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Outsourcing might be bad for economy if you only consider that approach, but it's worse if the company you are trying to build never takes off because you weren't be able to find trained personnel for the money you currently have in your pockets. That's less good for economy for sure.<br>
<div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 2:51 PM, C. Savinovich <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:c.savinovich@itntelecom.com" target="_blank">c.savinovich@itntelecom.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana"><div>I happen to disagree with "outsourcing". First of all, the ad clearly says that they need someone on-site. There are dozens of reasons why someone needs to be present, i.e phones need to be provisioned, customer's site must be visited, an understanding of the needs of the company can only be obtained by being present, in person. Not everything can be, and should not be, solved remotely.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Ultimately outsourcing is bad for the economy. Valuable cash that could be circulating in our local economy is instead kept in banks. Thousands of developers who would otherwise be making a better living eventually lose their jobs. But the most important reason of all, at least for the sake of this subject at hand is: It doesn't solve this particular company's needs. Furthermore, it leads the cheapo who placed the original ad to wrongly assume that he can hire someone in England at third world rates.</div>
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Date: Tue, April 30, 2013 12:46 pm<br>
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</div><div><div class="h5"><div dir="ltr">Well, I could perfectly outperform on the tasks they are asking in the job description for, perhaps, 35k/year. I live in a cheaper country so that "low" salary won't be much of a problem for me.<div>
<br></div><div>If they're willing to pay that money, they should definitely consider outsourcing. I believe that the best resume of a programmer is a Google query of his name, so, if they want to hire competent personnel with a low budget, they just need to open their minds to telecommuting. </div>
<div><br></div><div>BTW, I applied to this job.</div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 12:14 PM, C. Savinovich <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:c.savinovich@itntelecom.com" target="_blank">c.savinovich@itntelecom.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana"><div><br></div><div>The real scary part is to think if that's what a medium level Asterisk developer is worth... is that what Asterisk is worth? 30K per year? Who really doesn't have a clue? the guy posting the ad offering the 30K, or us Asterisk developers enmeshed in the wrong field?</div>
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Date: Tue, April 30, 2013 11:58 am<br> To: <a href="mailto:asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com" target="_blank">asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com</a><br> <br> We can argue about the cost of housing in certain areas all day. One <br>
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