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    I am not sure how the USF/Connect America fund has anything to do
    with free conference calling providers.&nbsp; The free conference calling
    providers are not being targeted.&nbsp; The LECs that offer revenue
    sharing to said service providers are being targeted for "access
    stimulation."&nbsp; The figures being quoted in the full order are
    outrageous.&nbsp; Once again, this will hurt the small LEC, and it has
    nothing to do with the LECs who have leveraged their presence to
    adopt such products.<br>
    <br>
    One thing that is funny, is how USF is applied to interstate
    traffic, and now the FCC wants to rule that all VoIP traffic is
    interstate traffic.&nbsp; That sure is convenient.<br>
    <br>
    As for tandem traffic, just wait.&nbsp; Verizon will have their fun with
    this once it completes its current inter-carrier conquest.<br>
    <br>
    Read the full order, not the 5 page executive summary.<br>
    <br>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Best Regards,

Gavin Grabias
Alcazar Networks, Inc.
Phone: 484-664-2800 x111
Fax: 484-664-2816
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.alcazarnetworks.com">www.alcazarnetworks.com</a></pre>
    <br>
    On 12/6/11 9:57 AM, John Hass wrote:
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:ECC1D935-B809-42C5-AAD7-B8C9D603BF35@tollfreenation.com"
      type="cite">You said it Steve, how can anyone be expected to be
      able to compete in this Free Market when the Government is giving
      money away to the big carriers to provide non-essential services.
      &nbsp;On the hopes the incumbent builds out the network to support me
      at my acreage. &nbsp;I have 3 people on my 5 mile road, that is 10
      miles out of town. &nbsp;How would that be cost effective for anyone!!!
      &nbsp;I have a deal worked out with my employer and set up a wireless
      point to point and it will work fine! &nbsp;$1,500 up front for towers
      and radios 50mbps can't beat that!
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      <div>I would like to see an incumbent compete with that.</div>
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      <div>--John</div>
      <div><br>
        <div>
          <div>On Dec 6, 2011, at 8:48 AM, Steve Totaro wrote:</div>
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            <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 5:12 AM,
              Dovid Bender <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:asterisk@dovid.net">asterisk@dovid.net</a>&gt;</span>
              wrote:<br>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span
                          style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Anyone
                          see this?</span></font></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span
                          style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"><a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.telecomlawmonitor.com/uploads/file/ICC_USF%20Executive%20Summary%281%29.pdf"
                            target="_blank">http://www.telecomlawmonitor.com/uploads/file/ICC_USF%20Executive%20Summary%281%29.pdf</a></span></font></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span
                          style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">&nbsp;</span></font></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span
                          style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Look
                          at page 5 section 17.</span></font></p>
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                Got to love free markets....<br>
                <br>
                Why should anyone have to subsidize broadband in the
                boonies?&nbsp; It there is a market, it will be filled.<br>
                <br>
                Some REGULATION is a good thing, but incentives should
                be dictated by the market, meaning it will turn a profit
                after the initial investment of build out.<br>
                <br>
                I remember the Philly government wanting to blanket the
                city or at least center city with Wifi on the taxpayer's
                dime.<br>
                <br>
                I spend alot of time in Philly and know some companies
                directly and many others indirectly that were in the
                process of doing this for profit, using their own
                resources.&nbsp; They ran the numbers and figured with the
                cost of build out and the number of projected
                subscribers at a multi tiered price point, it made
                business sense to invest.<br>
                <br>
                Then the city steps up with grand plans to tax everyone
                and give it away, or maybe even charge for the service.<br>
                <br>
                I didn't follow the outcome, but I personally know half
                a dozen people that had their money invested in a free
                market venture that made sense and were at risk of
                losing that market and all the money invested in market
                analysis, planning, and actually starting to roll out
                Wifi.<br>
                <br>
                Needless to say, they were not too happy, and neither
                was I, even though I was not directly impacted, as a
                trend, the government makes it harder and harder to meet
                the entry barriers, then you have to compete with them?<br>
                <br>
                Like USPS, it loses good money over bad and competes
                with FedEx and UPS.&nbsp; It will never be allowed to fail,
                but I am not so sure about FedEx or UPS.&nbsp; The government
                might try to bail them out or whatever, but I would
                think it would make more sense for them to bring them
                under USPS and have something that was designed to
                profit, not just deliver parcels.<br>
                <br>
                Anyways, enough ranting about government intrusion on
                consumer (businesses included) affairs.<br>
                <br>
                Just pick up my trash, be around to put out fires, plow
                the roads, keep them in working order.&nbsp; Stick to the
                basics that the citizens need to be able to have a free
                market.<br>
                <br>
                Thanks,<br>
                Steve T <br>
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