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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>you SHOULD SHOULD SHOULD know that 2<FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3>billion minute is a marketing term, evean if is
not real</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>leave this list if you are not a VoIp business
fan</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=shmaltz@gmail.com href="mailto:shmaltz@gmail.com">C F</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com
href="mailto:asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com">Commercial and Business-Oriented
Asterisk Discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September 21, 2010 12:10
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [asterisk-biz] Ovetel Again
- here we go !!! ( Partners )</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>All arguments aside I believe the claim that they
process 2 billion minutes (<A
href="http://www.ovetel.com/partners.html">http://www.ovetel.com/partners.html</A>) is
a lie. here is why:
<DIV>There are 525600 minutes in a year (60*24*365), which makes 2,000,000,000
minutes over 3805 years (2000000000/525600).</DIV>
<DIV>Lets take 300,000,000 americans, every american would have to use close
to 7 minutes (6.666 to be exact, 2000000000/300000000) with Ovetel for them to
have that volume or <BR>3 million would have to use 666 minutes, or
300000 would have to use 6666 minutes, or 30000 would have to use 66666
minutes or 3000 would have to use 666666 minutes (close to a million). Ovetel
guys do you have 3000 customers with over 100k minutes? or 100k customers with
over 3k minutes? I doubt it.</DIV>
<DIV><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Michael Schwartzman
<SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:carrierroutes@gmail.com">carrierroutes@gmail.com</A>></SPAN>
wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote
style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Here
is my 2 cents this guys who claim to be a Vlad does not look like to be a
voip consultant from Dubai, based on headers of emails here what information
was obtained:<BR><BR><SPAN
style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: medium 'Times New Roman'; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse"><FONT
size=4><B style="COLOR: rgb(255,0,0)">Received: from TarikPC (<A
style="COLOR: rgb(42,93,176)"
href="http://76-253-3-118.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net/"
target=_blank>76-253-3-118.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net</A><SPAN> </SPAN>[76.253.3.118]);</B></FONT><BR><BR>So
look like this "Vlad" is based in Sunnyvale California. I think it has to be
one of Ovetel competitors who has problems competing with them.
<BR><BR>Based on a simple google search: <A
href="http://www.google.com/search?q=Tarik+Sunnyvale+California&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#sclient=psy&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=OaO&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=Tarik+Voip+Sunnyvale+CA&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=7b3e9e0669ddb0a1"
target=_blank>http://www.google.com/search?q=Tarik+Sunnyvale+California&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#sclient=psy&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=OaO&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=Tarik+Voip+Sunnyvale+CA&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=7b3e9e0669ddb0a1</A><BR><BR>Here
what information was obtained:<BR><BR>Tarik Lakabi<BR><BR>Speaks:: English,
Arabic, French<BR><BR>Region:: Middle East, Asia, Africa, Egypt, Libya,
South America, Europe<BR><BR>Yahoo Messenger: tariktalk2globe<BR>Email: <A
href="mailto:tarik@talk2globe.com"
target=_blank>tarik@talk2globe.com</A><BR><BR>Source: <A
href="http://www.tmxvoip.net/contact-us.html"
target=_blank>http://www.tmxvoip.net/contact-us.html</A><BR><BR>So now we
know who is Vlad :). I hope Ovetel lawyers will take some action with a good
reaction. <BR></SPAN></SPAN>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Outback Dingo <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:outbackdingo@gmail.com"
target=_blank>outbackdingo@gmail.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>Vlad</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I doubt you even have the right to expect such, after
acting like a child in a public forum
<DIV>highly unprofessional even under the circumstances, also kinda
slanderous if you ask me.</DIV>
<DIV>Maybe you should prove you have a business relationship with them
also as you so claim.</DIV>
<DIV>Honestly, my preference would be that you just shut up and go away
though. Its kinda sad</DIV>
<DIV>actually to see a grown man, if you are, act with such behaviors in a
public forum. Its practically</DIV>
<DIV>embarrassing to watch you behave in such a manner. I know 5 year olds
who have more character</DIV>
<DIV>then you have displayed.</DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Vlad Shoz <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:vladshoz@yahoo.com"
target=_blank>vladshoz@yahoo.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<TD vAlign=top>Hello,<BR><BR>Josef, FYI.:<BR><BR>1st - This is a
BIZ list. Any business related to VOIP/Asterisk or<BR>termination
can be discusses here. <BR><BR>2nd - If you don't want participate
from this thread or don't agree<BR>- don't post comments. be
quiet!<BR><BR>3rd - I am waiting Ovetel comment or proofs showing
agreement with Swisscom<BR>and Tata as they claimed to have. Easy
to solve this. Don't you think?<BR><BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 9/21/10,
Josef Grand <I><<A href="mailto:josef.grand2@gmail.com"
target=_blank>josef.grand2@gmail.com</A>></I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From:
Josef Grand <<A href="mailto:josef.grand2@gmail.com"
target=_blank>josef.grand2@gmail.com</A>>
<DIV><BR>Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Ovetel Again - here we go
!!! ( Partners )<BR></DIV>To: "Commercial and Business-Oriented
Asterisk Discussion" <<A
href="mailto:asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com"
target=_blank>asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com</A>><BR>Date:
Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 4:39 AM
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>thank you muhamad for your
reply</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>good answer</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Meftah Tayeb<BR>TMVoip Inc<BR><A
href="http://www.awesomevoip.org" target=_blank
rel=nofollow>http://www.awesomevoip.org</A><BR>+33178768323</DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: rgb(228,228,228); FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B>
<A title=shomail@crystalconsulting.pk
href="http://mc/compose?to=shomail@crystalconsulting.pk"
target=_blank rel=nofollow>Muhammad Shomail Haider</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com
href="http://mc/compose?to=asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com"
target=_blank rel=nofollow>Commercial and Business-Oriented
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September
20, 2010 9:32 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[asterisk-biz] Ovetel Again - here we go !!! ( Partners
)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Please leave this topic aside now.Vlad, you
have informed everyone what you feel once, now it's up to them
if they want to do business with ovetel or not you don't have
to keep on irritating everyone bigging of every week. And
please keep the professional attitude here so this list
can stay clean and doesn't become garbage like most of the
other lists.
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Regards,</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Shomail <BR><BR>
<DIV>On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Gray Routes <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A
href="http://mc/compose?to=grayroutes@gmail.com" target=_blank
rel=nofollow>grayroutes@gmail.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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(if it is your real name) why you hate so much Yaro and
Ovetel? Because he did not let you suck his dick?<BR><BR>I
think it is just a hate of competition! I understand it is
hard when you see your competitors growing fast and you only
sucking dicks. So my advice to you would be stop sucking
dicks homo and writing this bullshit here get a
life.<BR><BR>Ovetel is very reputable company and many of us
here in Asterisk-Biz doing business with Ovetel we don't
care who they work with is it a TATA or SwissCom we only
care that they provide us with what we need and this is most
important. <BR><BR>From my personal experience Yaro is a man
of his word, he delivers always on time what he
promises.<BR><BR>Ovetel keep up a good work!<BR><BR>
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<DIV>On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 8:16 PM, Vlad Shoz <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A
href="http://mc/compose?to=vladshoz@yahoo.com" target=_blank
rel=nofollow>vladshoz@yahoo.com</A>></SPAN>
wrote:<BR></DIV></DIV>
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<TD vAlign=top>Hello Guys,<BR><BR>Here we go again
telling the truth about OVETEL.!<BR><BR><A
href="http://www.ovetel.com/partners.html"
target=_blank
rel=nofollow>http://www.ovetel.com/partners.html</A><BR><BR>Sr.
Yaro, claims to have lot of international agreements
with 400 partners ; i contacted<BR>some of those
"partners", like TATA and SwissCom who i have
business relationship and they don't have any kind
agreement with ovetel. Ovetel is not customer from
them!!.<BR><BR>Yaro, if you buy minutes from
carriers who are connected with them ; don't give
you rights to exposure those telcos which you don't
have agreements! Don't be a fool.<BR><BR>You´re
trying to create fake ovetel 'reputation'. But i am
100% sure all guys from asterisk-biz have experience
and know exacly what you are. Work from home<BR>with
fake e-mails ( creating fake employees ) to say -
ovetel have at least 5
people<BR>working!<BR><BR>Come on Yaro, say the
truth to everybody :) It´s better to be a small and
honest voip broker. working from home is not so bad,
right?<BR><BR>Think about this.! Be
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