There are an estimated 16 million Indian-origin people outside India,<br><br>including 1.7 million in the US;<br><br>1.6 million in Malaysia;<br><br>and 1.2 million in the UK;<br><br>and 1.1. million each in South Africa and the UAE <br>
<br>Source: <a href="http://www.ammas.com/topics/History/a93118.html">http://www.ammas.com/topics/History/a93118.html</a><br><br>Average person spends about 3 hrs per day on the phone. <br><br>So it is 180 minutes per day person on average on the phone. <br>
<br>India Alone market share is over 2,880,000,000 minutes per day, and if they do only 10 millions it is very small amount for this entire ethic group it is about 0.33%. I'm preatty sure any one can pool it off if they try hard. <br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 6:47 PM, C F <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:shmaltz@gmail.com">shmaltz@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
That means you would need over 7000 ppl talking 24 hours straight (10449969/1440 minutes per day)<div>Sell the crap to someone else<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 6:35 PM, Yaro Donchenko <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:yaro@ovetel.com" target="_blank">yaro@ovetel.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">More over based on they August LCR report India - Mobile 313,499,083 Minutes it is 10,449,969.43 Min per day this is easy can be archived with 5 clients who has some type of ethnic community product.<div>
<br></div><div>You don't need to be supper guru to build this type of volume! You just need to know people who can bring this volume to you and I'm sure Yaro at Ovetel knows this type of people. <div><div></div><div>
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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Gray Routes <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:grayroutes@gmail.com" target="_blank">grayroutes@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Are you sure you know what you talking about? Do you know how wholesale works at all?<br>
<br>
Lets see perfect sample let say you have 500000 completed calls per day to India Mobile with an average ACD of 8 Min. <br>
Here is a total for you 4,000,000 minutes per day just a single route. <br>
<br>
Now the company sell over 2000 different routes I'm pretty sure they know what they doing. <br>
<br>
So before saying some is lie you should think twice and not make your self look like a fool. <br><br>And Ovetel does not need to have 3000 or 100000 customers to achieve this volume it is easy can be done with less then 5 decent calling card clients like IDT or STI. <br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 6:10 PM, C F <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:shmaltz@gmail.com" target="_blank">shmaltz@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
All arguments aside I believe the claim that they process 2 billion minutes (<a href="http://www.ovetel.com/partners.html" target="_blank">http://www.ovetel.com/partners.html</a>) is a lie. here is why:<div>There are 525600 minutes in a year (60*24*365), which makes 2,000,000,000 minutes over 3805 years (2000000000/525600).</div>
<div>Lets take 300,000,000 americans, every american would have to use close to 7 minutes (6.666 to be exact, 2000000000/300000000) with Ovetel for them to have that volume or <br>3 million would have to use 666 minutes, or 300000 would have to use 6666 minutes, or 30000 would have to use 66666 minutes or 3000 would have to use 666666 minutes (close to a million). Ovetel guys do you have 3000 customers with over 100k minutes? or 100k customers with over 3k minutes? I doubt it.</div>
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<div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Michael Schwartzman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:carrierroutes@gmail.com" target="_blank">carrierroutes@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Here is my 2 cents this guys who claim to be a Vlad does not look like to be a voip consultant from Dubai, based on headers of emails here what information was obtained:<br><br><span style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; font-size: medium;"><span style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><font size="4"><b style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">Received: from TarikPC (<a href="http://76-253-3-118.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net/" style="color: rgb(42, 93, 176);" target="_blank">76-253-3-118.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net</a><span> </span>[76.253.3.118]);</b></font><br>
<br>So look like this "Vlad" is based in Sunnyvale California. I think it has to be one of Ovetel competitors who has problems competing with them. <br><br>Based on a simple google search: <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=Tarik+Sunnyvale+California&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#sclient=psy&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=OaO&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=Tarik+Voip+Sunnyvale+CA&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=7b3e9e0669ddb0a1" target="_blank">http://www.google.com/search?q=Tarik+Sunnyvale+California&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#sclient=psy&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=OaO&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=Tarik+Voip+Sunnyvale+CA&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=7b3e9e0669ddb0a1</a><br>
<br>Here what information was obtained:<br><br>Tarik Lakabi<br><br>Speaks:: English, Arabic, French<br><br>Region:: Middle East, Asia, Africa, Egypt, Libya, South America, Europe<br><br>Yahoo Messenger: tariktalk2globe<br>
Email: <a href="mailto:tarik@talk2globe.com" target="_blank">tarik@talk2globe.com</a><br><br>Source: <a href="http://www.tmxvoip.net/contact-us.html" target="_blank">http://www.tmxvoip.net/contact-us.html</a><br><br>So now we know who is Vlad :). I hope Ovetel lawyers will take some action with a good reaction. <br>
</span></span><div><div></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Outback Dingo <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:outbackdingo@gmail.com" target="_blank">outbackdingo@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>Vlad</div><div><br></div>I doubt you even have the right to expect such, after acting like a child in a public forum<div>highly unprofessional even under the circumstances, also kinda slanderous if you ask me.</div>
<div>
Maybe you should prove you have a business relationship with them also as you so claim.</div><div>Honestly, my preference would be that you just shut up and go away though. Its kinda sad</div><div>actually to see a grown man, if you are, act with such behaviors in a public forum. Its practically</div>
<div>embarrassing to watch you behave in such a manner. I know 5 year olds who have more character</div><div>then you have displayed.</div><div><div></div><div><div><br><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Vlad Shoz <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:vladshoz@yahoo.com" target="_blank">vladshoz@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td style="font: inherit;" valign="top">
Hello,<br><br>Josef, FYI.:<br>
<br>1st - This is a BIZ list. Any business related to VOIP/Asterisk or<br>termination can be discusses here. <br><br>2nd - If you don't want participate from this thread or don't agree<br>- don't post comments. be quiet!<br>
<br>3rd - I am waiting Ovetel comment or proofs showing agreement with Swisscom<br>and Tata as they claimed to have. Easy to solve this. Don't you think?<br><br><br>--- On <b>Tue, 9/21/10, Josef Grand <i><<a href="mailto:josef.grand2@gmail.com" target="_blank">josef.grand2@gmail.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: Josef Grand <<a href="mailto:josef.grand2@gmail.com" target="_blank">josef.grand2@gmail.com</a>><div><br>
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Ovetel Again - here we go !!! ( Partners )<br></div>To: "Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion" <<a href="mailto:asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com" target="_blank">asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com</a>><br>
Date: Tuesday, September 21, 2010,
4:39 AM<div><div></div><div><br><br><div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">thank you muhamad for your reply</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">good answer</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
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- here we go !!! ( Partners )</div>
<div><br></div>Please leave this topic aside now.Vlad, you have informed
everyone what you feel once, now it's up to them if they want to do business
with ovetel or not you don't have to keep on irritating everyone bigging of
every week. And please keep the professional attitude here so this list
can stay clean and doesn't become garbage like most of the other lists.
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<div>Regards,</div>
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<div>Shomail <br><br>
<div>On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Gray Routes <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" href="http://mc/compose?to=grayroutes@gmail.com" target="_blank">grayroutes@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<blockquote style="padding-left: 1ex; margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);">Vlad
(if it is your real name) why you hate so much Yaro and Ovetel? Because he
did not let you suck his dick?<br><br>I think it is just a hate of
competition! I understand it is hard when you see your competitors growing
fast and you only sucking dicks. So my advice to you would be stop sucking
dicks homo and writing this bullshit here get a life.<br><br>Ovetel is very
reputable company and many of us here in Asterisk-Biz doing business with
Ovetel we don't care who they work with is it a TATA or SwissCom we only
care that they provide us with what we need and this is most important.
<br><br>From my personal experience Yaro is a man of his word, he delivers
always on time what he promises.<br><br>Ovetel keep up a good work!<br><br>
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<div>On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 8:16 PM, Vlad Shoz <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" href="http://mc/compose?to=vladshoz@yahoo.com" target="_blank">vladshoz@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div>
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<td valign="top">Hello Guys,<br><br>Here we go again telling the truth
about OVETEL.!<br><br><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.ovetel.com/partners.html" target="_blank">http://www.ovetel.com/partners.html</a><br><br>Sr.
Yaro, claims to have lot of international agreements with 400
partners ; i contacted<br>some of those "partners", like TATA and
SwissCom who i have business relationship and they don't have any
kind agreement with ovetel. Ovetel is not customer from
them!!.<br><br>Yaro, if you buy minutes from carriers who are
connected with them ; don't give you rights to exposure those telcos
which you don't have agreements! Don't be a fool.<br><br>You´re
trying to create fake ovetel 'reputation'. But i am 100% sure all
guys from asterisk-biz have experience and know exacly what you are.
Work from home<br>with fake e-mails ( creating fake employees ) to
say - ovetel have at least 5 people<br>working!<br><br>Come on Yaro,
say the truth to everybody :) It´s better to be a small and honest
voip broker. working from home is not so bad, right?<br><br>Think
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