What about simply asking for trade references and due diligence on your potential customer?<br> <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2009/11/3 Vlasis Hatzistavrou (KTI) <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:vhatz@kinetix.gr">vhatz@kinetix.gr</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Of, course, the escrow agent has to actually do something more than just<br>
"guard" the money.<br>
<br>
Now there are escrow agencies which receive CDRs from both parties in<br>
real time or in bathes every few hours. So, in case of a dispute the<br>
escrow agent acts as a referee, too.<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
<font color="#888888">Vlasis Hatzistavrou.<br>
</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
<br>
Mindaugas Kezys wrote:<br>
>>From our experience escrow is not good choice either. Other side can argue<br>
> that service was bad/unusable and you will not get paid for it.<br>
><br>
> Regards,<br>
> Mindaugas Kezys<br>
> <a href="http://www.kolmisoft.com" target="_blank">http://www.kolmisoft.com</a><br>
> VoIP Billing and Routing Solutions<br>
><br>
><br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: <a href="mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com">asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com</a><br>
> [mailto:<a href="mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com">asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com</a>] On Behalf Of Vlasis<br>
> Hatzistavrou (KTI)<br>
> Sent: 2009 m. lapkričio 2 d. 13:54<br>
> To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion<br>
> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] India VoIP termination - FRAUD- BE Careful<br>
><br>
> Just my 2 cents: there are escrow, exchange & clearinghouse services<br>
> that one can use in order to secure business.<br>
><br>
> Simple prepay/postpay nowadays is too dangerous, not only with small &<br>
> unknown operators but even with large & well known carriers. They too<br>
> will dispute just about anything...<br>
><br>
> Best regards,<br>
> Vlasis Hatzistavrou.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Andy Spring wrote:<br>
>> Hi Dennis, first I am sorry to hear your bad news, but i can give you<br>
>> some suggestion, most of business men are trust parterns, only very<br>
>> little are frauds, yes, sometimes, it is very difficult to find out who<br>
>> is sincerely and who is not, but you can test them from a very small<br>
>> order starting after you have dealt many many small business<br>
>> succesfully, then start big orders or stop contact with them.<br>
>><br>
>> 2009/11/2 <<a href="mailto:info@dialontel.com">info@dialontel.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:info@dialontel.com">info@dialontel.com</a>>><br>
>><br>
>> Hi Andy and Everyone in this Forum,<br>
>><br>
>> Of course Andy we are very Angry. Last Year in total we lost over<br>
>> 30K USD and Asia Telecom and BroadTelephone 3K USD invoice is part<br>
>> of it. This has effect our business process to do much more<br>
>> verification in giving post pay/prepay and it has become almost<br>
>> impossible find out who is geniune and who is not.<br>
>><br>
>> Even though These two companies are registered in UK and USA its<br>
>> managed and owned by Pakistan guys (nothing personal to<br>
>> Pakistanies) so my point is we can not judge a company from where it<br>
>> is registered.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> So I bilieve most effective way to minimize frauds is to keep close<br>
>> contact with trusted partners and their frauds, so you can keep away<br>
>> from frauds.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Thanks,<br>
>> Dennis S.<br>
>> DialOnTel Team<br>
>> <<a href="http://www.dialontel/" target="_blank">http://www.dialontel/</a>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> -------- Original Message --------<br>
>> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] India VoIP termination - FRAUD- BE<br>
>> Careful<br>
>> From: Andy Spring <<a href="mailto:andyspr@gmail.com">andyspr@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:andyspr@gmail.com">andyspr@gmail.com</a>>><br>
>> Date: Sun, November 01, 2009 5:15 am<br>
>> To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com">asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com">asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com</a>>><br>
>><br>
>> Haha... Maybe Dennis is very angry with them, but what make me<br>
>> suprised is that the frauds are from UK and USA, whose<br>
>> reputation are good and they also think themselves come with<br>
>> good reputation, but also rubbish<br>
>><br>
>> 2009/10/31 <<a href="mailto:info@dialontel.com">info@dialontel.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:info@dialontel.com">info@dialontel.com</a>>><br>
>><br>
>> Hi All,<br>
>><br>
>> DO NOT sell any minutes to BroadTelepone or AsiaTelecom.<br>
>> They have a pending invoice to us for last 8 months 3000<br>
>> USD. Our company name is DialOnTel. we were seling India to<br>
>> them. These companies are fraud based in UK and USA.<br>
>> AsiaTelecom UK is currently on liquadation.<br>
>><br>
>> Sikander - Director, Faruk -Tech guy never response to our<br>
>> calls or emails.<br>
>><br>
>> DO NOT Give post pay to them.<br>
>><br>
>> My name is Dennis from DialOnTel.<br>
>> <a href="mailto:dennis@dialontel.com">dennis@dialontel.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:dennis@dialontel.com">dennis@dialontel.com</a>><br>
>> <a href="mailto:info@dialontel.com">info@dialontel.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:info@dialontel.com">info@dialontel.com</a>><br>
>><br>
>> Sikander if you see this email you are most welcome to<br>
>> contact me as you never response to our emials or calls.<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks,<br>
>> DialOnTel Team<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> -------- Original Message --------<br>
>> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] India VoIP termination<br>
>> From: Sikander Saeed <<a href="mailto:sikander@asiatele.net">sikander@asiatele.net</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:sikander@asiatele.net">sikander@asiatele.net</a>>><br>
>> Date: Fri, October 30, 2009 4:04 pm<br>
>> To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com">asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com">asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com</a>>><br>
>><br>
>> BroadTelephone is based in USA and involve in wholesale<br>
>> and retail VoIP services in USA, Canada and UK since<br>
>> last decade. We are looking for quality route to India.<br>
>> Our targets are:<br>
>><br>
>> India 919 mobile $0.0110<br>
>> India 9194 $0.0125<br>
>> India ROC 91 $0.0150<br>
>> India Cities $0.0130<br>
>><br>
>> Our daily traffic is about 25,000 minutes per day.<br>
>> Please let us know if you can provide such service.<br>
>><br>
>> Sikander Saeed<br>
>> BroadTelephone, Inc.<br>
>> <a href="http://www.broadtelephone.com" target="_blank">www.broadtelephone.com</a> <<a href="http://www.broadtelephone.com/" target="_blank">http://www.broadtelephone.com/</a>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Mitul Limbani wrote:<br>
>>> Brian,<br>
>>><br>
>>> So if I m correct this would be a one of retail customer<br>
> who needs to<br>
>>> call their indian partner company?<br>
>>><br>
>>> Please email me in a bit more detail off the list, coz we<br>
> have helped<br>
>>> several US based companies optimize their communication<br>
> cost to their<br>
>>> indian counter part or indian offshore units.<br>
>>><br>
>>> And I think we can help your customer too.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Thanks & Regards,<br>
>>> Mitul Limbani,<br>
>>> Founder & CEO,<br>
>>> Enterux Solutions Pvt. Ltd.,<br>
>>> The Enterprise Linux Company (r),<br>
>>> <a href="http://www.enterux.com" target="_blank">http://www.enterux.com</a> <<a href="http://www.enterux.com/" target="_blank">http://www.enterux.com/</a>><br>
>>> <a href="http://www.entVoice.com" target="_blank">http://www.entVoice.com</a> <<a href="http://www.entvoice.com/" target="_blank">http://www.entvoice.com/</a>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On 27-Oct-2009, at 7:30 AM, "Brian Franklin"<br>
> <<a href="mailto:bfranklin@ntginc.net">bfranklin@ntginc.net</a>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bfranklin@ntginc.net">bfranklin@ntginc.net</a>><br>
>>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>>> I have an executive that needs low cost minutes to a<br>
> partner firm in<br>
>>>> India. Clear calls and low cost is the primary concern.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Brian<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>>>> From: <a href="mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com">asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com">asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com</a>><br>
>>>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com">asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com</a>] On Behalf<br>
> Of mtlvoip<br>
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 8:48 PM<br>
>>>> To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion<br>
>>>> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] USA to India<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> with what kind of features and in which level of price<br>
> are your<br>
>>>> looking<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> for?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------<br>
>>>> From: "Brian Franklin" <<a href="mailto:bfranklin@ntginc.net">bfranklin@ntginc.net</a>><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bfranklin@ntginc.net">bfranklin@ntginc.net</a>><br>
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 9:32 PM<br>
>>>> To: "Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk<br>
> Discussion"<br>
>>>> <<a href="mailto:asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com">asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com</a>><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com">asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com</a>><br>
>>>> Subject: [asterisk-biz] USA to India<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> Looking for quality international SIP<br>
> termination...particularly to<br>
>>>>> India.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Any suggestions?<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
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>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> andy<br>
>> <a href="mailto:andyspr@gmail.com">andyspr@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:andyspr@gmail.com">andyspr@gmail.com</a>><br>
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>><br>
>> --<br>
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