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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Please remove me from this mailing list Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>ContactTel
Business<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 04 May 2009 12:28 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [asterisk-biz] Dear Termination Providers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>My point exactly always suckers that try to get 0.0000000000001
termination.. but want TDM quality...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hence why not have an @ cost scenario or even worst.. just make
it free like some do.. and play ads.. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>And wtf we talking about this ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Stephen
Davies<br>
<b>Sent:</b> May-03-09 2:57 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [asterisk-biz] Dear Termination Providers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA>2009/5/1 Peter Beckman <<a
href="mailto:beckman@angryox.com">beckman@angryox.com</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-CA>Alexander
Harrowell wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA>What's needed is a rate deck that includes
every route the provider<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA>supports, US, Canada and everything else.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA>Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA>You seem to want to evaluate termination
providers on nothing else except price. I'm not sure why encouraging that
simplistic rule is in the interests of termination providers, or your own, for
that matter.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA>What about minor details like quality, CLI
support, whether the terminating lines are legitimate or stolen from innocent
third parties - don't they matter?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA>Some unscrupulous scenarios for terminators
to use if lots of originators have all these rate decks in their routing engines
and are routing solely by price:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA>1) Publish a low rate to a destination.
"Connect" calls in excess of your capacity (so you can bill
them), but connect them to nowhere. Once originators notice apologise profusely
for the technical problem but keep the money (the originator won't be able to
say exactly which calls failed in this manner). Fail 10% of calls like
this and you can make up what your published low rate is costing you, and the
originator probably will accept the CSR that they get.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA>2) Publish a low rate but run your clock a
bit fast to make up the difference. Remember that you only need to be
0.000001c/min cheapest in order to get lots and lots of minutes because people
are selecting automatically by price. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA>3) "Forget" to mention various
billing wrinkles. Your excuse is that the csv format doesn't provide for
the flag-fall charge, or the call attempt charge if your calls' CSR falls below
a threshold, or what have you. Make sure the info is published somewhere
even though you "can't" put them in the csv.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA>Can others think of more (this is quite fun
>:) )<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA>So surely you need to know more about your
termination partner than just their price? And do you really want to tell
your termination providers that all you care about is price. Some cheaply
terminated calls already sound pretty terrible. Do we really want to
encourage this race to rock bottom?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA>Steve<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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