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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>There’s a link on the bottom where you can remove yourself, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Rodwin
Goldstone<br>
<b>Sent:</b> May-04-09 3:31 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [asterisk-biz] Dear Termination Providers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Please remove me from this mailing list Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>ContactTel
Business<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 04 May 2009 12:28 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [asterisk-biz] Dear Termination Providers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>My point exactly always suckers that try to get 0.0000000000001
termination.. but want TDM quality...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hence why not have an @ cost scenario or even worst.. just make
it free like some do.. and play ads.. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>And wtf we talking about this ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Stephen
Davies<br>
<b>Sent:</b> May-03-09 2:57 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [asterisk-biz] Dear Termination Providers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>2009/5/1 Peter Beckman <<a
href="mailto:beckman@angryox.com">beckman@angryox.com</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Alexander Harrowell wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>What's needed is a rate deck that includes every route the
provider<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>supports, US, Canada and everything else.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>You seem to want to evaluate termination providers on
nothing else except price. I'm not sure why encouraging that simplistic
rule is in the interests of termination providers, or your own, for that
matter.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>What about minor details like quality, CLI support, whether
the terminating lines are legitimate or stolen from innocent third parties -
don't they matter?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Some unscrupulous scenarios for terminators to use if lots
of originators have all these rate decks in their routing engines and are
routing solely by price:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>1) Publish a low rate to a destination.
"Connect" calls in excess of your capacity (so you can bill
them), but connect them to nowhere. Once originators notice apologise profusely
for the technical problem but keep the money (the originator won't be able to
say exactly which calls failed in this manner). Fail 10% of calls like
this and you can make up what your published low rate is costing you, and the
originator probably will accept the CSR that they get.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>2) Publish a low rate but run your clock a bit fast to make
up the difference. Remember that you only need to be 0.000001c/min
cheapest in order to get lots and lots of minutes because people are selecting
automatically by price. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>3) "Forget" to mention various billing wrinkles.
Your excuse is that the csv format doesn't provide for the flag-fall
charge, or the call attempt charge if your calls' CSR falls below a threshold,
or what have you. Make sure the info is published somewhere even though
you "can't" put them in the csv.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Can others think of more (this is quite fun >:) )<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>So surely you need to know more about your termination
partner than just their price? And do you really want to tell your
termination providers that all you care about is price. Some cheaply
terminated calls already sound pretty terrible. Do we really want to
encourage this race to rock bottom?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Steve<o:p></o:p></p>
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