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Isn't the whole point of a contract to prevent the terms of an
agreement being changed?<br>
<br>
Sample Contract:<br>
1. Consultant A agrees to configure 1 Asterisk server.<br>
2. Customer B agrees to pay $100.<br>
3. Consultant reserves right to change terms at any time.<br>
<br>
Later....<br>
<br>
Consultant A: "Dear Customer, payment of the sum of $100 is past due,
please pay immediately.<br>
Customer B: "But you haven't configured my phone system!"<br>
Consultant A: "There was a slight change to change to the terms of the
agreement. I just added "if he/she feels like it" to the end of the
first line. You agreed to pay but I don't feel like doing the work.
Please send $100 plus interest."<br>
<br>
In this case I don't have much sympathy for Blockbuster.<br>
<br>
Perhaps adding a "change terms with 30 days notice and customer has
right to cancel contract (with full refund of outstanding services) if
not acceptable" might make it stick.<br>
I remember seeing something like that in my cell phone agreement.<br>
<br>
regards,<br>
<br>
Drew<br>
<br>
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<br>
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style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">While not
restricted to online websites I’m
wondering if some of the people on this list running <st1:country-region
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based ITSP’s could be
affected by this court case.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font
face="Tahoma" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;"> Dean Collins <br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, April
20, 2009 10:45
AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> "illusory"
terms of service</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">First
posted at: </span></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://deancollinsblog.blogspot.com/2009/04/illusory-terms-of-service.html">http://deancollinsblog.blogspot.com/2009/04/illusory-terms-of-service.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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terms of service</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></b></h3>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman"
size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black;">Wow I’m not sure
how many people
caught this or understood the ramifications of it.<br searchindex="47"
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I’m trying to do some additional research to find out what this means
but
this ruling at </span></font><font color="blue"><span
style="color: blue;"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.mediapost.com/publications/?fa=Articles.showArticle&art_aid=104357"
searchindex="50" mk_i="50" inner="MediaPostcom">MediaPost.com</a></span></font><font
color="black"><span style="color: black;"> this morning caught my eye.<br
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</span></font><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><em
searchindex="56" mk_i="56"
inner="LynndeterminedthatBlockbusterscontractwithuserswasillusorybecausetheagreementsaidthatmovierentalstorecouldchangethetermsandconditionsatanytimeABlockbusterspokespersondeclinedtocommentonthecaseorstatewhetherthecompanywillappeal"><span
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inner="LynndeterminedthatBlockbusterscontractwithuserswasillusorybecausetheagreementsaidthatmovierentalstorecouldchangethetermsandconditionsatanytimeABlockbusterspokespersondeclinedtocommentonthecaseorstatewhetherthecompanywillappeal"><i><font
color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;">Lynn</span></font></i></span></em></st1:place></st1:City><em><i><font
color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;"> determined that Blockbuster's
contract with users was
"illusory" because the agreement said that movie rental store could
change the terms and conditions at any time.</span></font></i></em><i><font
color="black" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-style: italic;"><br
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<em><i><font face="Times New Roman">A Blockbuster spokesperson
declined to
comment on the case or state whether the company will appeal. </font></i></em></span></font></i><font
color="black"><span style="color: black;"><br searchindex="61"
mk_i="61" inner="">
<br searchindex="62" mk_i="62" inner="">
</span></font><em searchindex="63" mk_i="63"
inner="ThedecisionisablowtoBlockbusterbecauseindividualconsumerswouldhavehadadifficulttimebringingcasesonebyoneagainstthecompanyButthedecisionpavesthewayforattorneystoarguethatallconsumersaffectedbyBlockbustersparticipationinBeaconshouldbeabletoproceedasaclass"><span
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inner="ThedecisionisablowtoBlockbusterbecauseindividualconsumerswouldhavehadadifficulttimebringingcasesonebyoneagainstthecompanyButthedecisionpavesthewayforattorneystoarguethatallconsumersaffectedbyBlockbustersparticipationinBeaconshouldbeabletoproceedasaclass"><i><font
color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;">The decision is a blow to
Blockbuster because individual consumers
would have had a difficult time bringing cases one-by-one against the
company.
But the decision paves the way for attorneys to argue that all
consumers
affected by Blockbuster's participation in Beacon should be able to
proceed as
a class. </span></font></i></span></em><font color="black"><span
style="color: black;"><br searchindex="66" mk_i="66" inner="">
<br searchindex="67" mk_i="67" inner="">
</span></font><em searchindex="68" mk_i="68"
inner="InternetlawexpertVenkatBalasubramanisaidLynnsdecisioninvalidatingBlockbustersuseragreementwaspotentiallyfarreachingbecausemanyWebcompaniesreservetherighttomakechangestotheirtermsofserviceItseemsbroadandcouldhaveimpactonthetermsofserviceusedbyalotofdifferentcompanieshesaid"><span
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inner="InternetlawexpertVenkatBalasubramanisaidLynnsdecisioninvalidatingBlockbustersuseragreementwaspotentiallyfarreachingbecausemanyWebcompaniesreservetherighttomakechangestotheirtermsofserviceItseemsbroadandcouldhaveimpactonthetermsofserviceusedbyalotofdifferentcompanieshesaid"><i><font
color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;">Internet law expert Venkat
Balasubramani said <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Lynn</st1:place></st1:City>'s
decision invalidating Blockbuster's
user agreement was potentially far-reaching because many Web companies
reserve
the right to make changes to their terms of service. "It seems broad
and
could have impact on the terms of service used by a lot of different
companies," he said.</span></font></i></span></em><i><font color="black"
size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-style: italic;"><br
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<br searchindex="73" mk_i="73" inner="">
I’m fairly sure this has to be appealed as couldn’t this throw a
lot of User Agreements out the window? (I know it would affect my
agreement at </font><font color="blue"><span style="color: blue;"><a
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searchindex="75" mk_i="75" inner="wwwLiveBaseballChatcom">www.LiveBaseballChat.com</a></span></font><font
color="black"><span style="color: black;"> out the window).<br
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Any thoughts about how this affects your business? Post below.<br
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style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Dean Collins<br>
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