<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 8:21 PM, Trixter aka Bret McDanel <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:trixter@0xdecafbad.com">trixter@0xdecafbad.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="Ih2E3d">On Fri, 2008-10-03 at 22:53 +0100, Chris Bagnall wrote:<br>
> > Well, that's not necessarily true. Yes, of course you're going to add<br>
> > some latency, but it doesn't have to be too much. It all depends on how<br>
> > the US data center is peered. If it's peered with primarily Tier 1<br>
> > backbones that privately haul trans-Atlantic traffic and go back to<br>
> > LINX, Redbus, etc. in London, you're pretty well off.<br>
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> I was thinking specifically of the scenario where one might have PSTN termination in the UK, customers in the UK, but phone servers in the US. You'd have the latency of the customer's (usually *DSL) connection to the US, then the (hopefully much lower) latency back to the PSTN provider in the UK. I doubt you'd be able to do it under 100ms end-to-end.<br>
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> As you rightly point out, if you can sidestep handling media, the situation would be much improved.<br>
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</div>100ms on a call wouldnt matter, have you ever called someone on a mobile<br>
that was right next to you? The delay is usually noticeable. Its loss<br>
and jitter that would be problems. As long as those are under control,<br>
then the call quality should be good. I have regularly made calls from<br>
Amsterdam to servers in the US and the audio was crystal clear and delay<br>
was not observable in a normal conversation.<br>
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<br>The calls were very clear but the latency was so bad you had to get used to it or you would keep talking over each other, kind of like the reporters doing statallite reporting half way around the world. <br><br>This was before Uganda allowed VoIP so it sure as heck beat the cost of a landline call (or even a specialized calling card) but you just had to deal with the lag, which, with some practice is not a deal breaker.<br>
</div></div><br>-- <br>Thanks,<br>Steve Totaro <br>+18887771888 (Toll Free)<br>+12409381212 (Cell)<br>+12024369784 (Skype)<br>
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