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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>Hi Justin, this didn’t
really get discussed as I had a client in town this week for the last 4 days so
no time to organize.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>I’d like to do a
properly planned call with someone from Digium, a few potential users of the
system (eg software developers who have small apps to sell) and the regular
listeners who are potential end users.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>I’d also
encourage people who think this will be the beginning of the end (eg the closed
source naysayers) to be involved as well because it’s their weekly
conference call as well and their input has to be taken into account.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>My proposal as long as
someone from Digium reads this and steps up to the plate is that we hold this
call in 2 weeks from today on the 25<sup>th</sup> of April (I’ll be at a
client meeting next Friday).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>So if Kevin/Bill/Mark
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I already have had 3 software developers reach out to say they would like to
discuss this as well.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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court.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b><st1:PersonName w:st="on">Justin Newman</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, 11 April 2008 12:59
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> nt_jnewman@yahoo.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [asterisk-biz]
Potential subject for Friday - Does the Asteriskcommunity need a 3rd party
commercial software ecosystem?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>>1. Re: [asterisk-users] [VOIP-Users-Conference]
Potential<br>
> subject for Friday - Does the Asterisk
community need a 3rd party<br>
> commercial software ecosystem? (Dean Collins)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt'>I want to hear how this goes. Out sick.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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> -----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> From: Dean Collins <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> Sent: Wednesday, 9 April 2008 11:57 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> To: '<st1:PersonName w:st="on">VOIP-Users-Conference@googlegroups.com</st1:PersonName>'<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> Cc: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> Discussion'; Ast-biz
(asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> Subject: RE: [VOIP-Users-Conference] Potential
subject for <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> Friday - Does the Asterisk community need a 3rd
party <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> commercial software ecosystem?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> Hi BJ,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> Further explanation about the 3rd party ecosystem
question <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> this morning<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> Cory Andrews from VoIP supply was on the
Voip-Users <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> conference call last week.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> I asked the question - how much of VoIP Supply
revenue is <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> product versus applications - he said we
don’t sell any <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> services such as ITSP hosted Asterisk so I
replied that <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> wasn't what I was thinking of and gave the example
of Snap <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> Dialer which is a low cost (I think I paid $20
for it) <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> application which allows me to dial names from
outlook.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> I then talked about some of the consulting I did
for <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> Salesforce.com and how they have built an entire
ecosystem of <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> third party applications all built by other
people but <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> utilizing the documented API's and application
security etc.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> My comments were that although Asterisk should
always remain <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> a free open source application that developers
need to eat <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> and pay rent as well.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> If there was some common marketplace that
developers could <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> sell small - low cost third party applications to
the <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> Asterisk community that Digium had some type of <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> overview/management control over who listed etc
that this <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> would deliver a stream of revenue that would
encourage <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> further application development.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> The question I then posed to the group was if
anyone knew how <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> Digium managed the sale and licensing of the G729
codes.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> And if this was an open published standard that
it could be <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> used as the basis for the Asterisk ecosystem
license model.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> Now I know it's not perfect and can be hacked but
everything <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> can be hacked. The idea is to build apps cheap
enough that <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> it's not worth the effort of hacking.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> I know there were discussions in Mexuar about how
we could <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> sell (read license) a single channel of the
Mexuar Corraleta <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> application rather than the entire server license
for $2000.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> Earlier this week I sent an original email to
Digium and told <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> Kevin was responsible for the G729 licenses so I
was hoping <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> that this Friday we could get Kevin and possibly
the <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> developers of Snap Dialer to talk about their
current license <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> models and how they implemented payment systems
and also <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> maybe the developer of FOP to discuss if this was
available <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> to him and he was able to sell a 100 licenses or
something <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> like that a month would this provide an income
stream to <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> support further development etc.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> Does this make sense?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> Does anyone have any comments or would you like
to be <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> involved with Fridays call?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> Dean Collins<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> Cognation Pty Ltd<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> dean@cognation.net<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> +1-212-203-4357 Ph<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> +61-2-9016-5642 (<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City
w:st="on">Sydney</st1:City></st1:place> in-dial).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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