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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>
The point is, the JIAX code could and has been easily modified to create<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>
a free Java web based IAX softphone if someone just did it. To me, that<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>
indicates lack of demand (in the opensource area anyways).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Yep
one of the interesting 'dilemmas' in opensource is the 'skills/interests' of
the developer versus the ‘desires’ of the ordinary user.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Bounties
to some degree has helped this but not always eg. When I put together a group
of end users who were looking for video conferencing functionality (I think we
got it up to about $7,000 before we gave up-no longer available as my main
bounty provider purchased commercial hardware to solve their requirement).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>But
in other areas it has helped.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>It's
not a story that often gets repeated (lol - history is written by the winner as
the old saying goes), but some people on this list will remember that the original
developers of FreePBX released the product as opensource code....but their
instructions for installation was terrible if not misleading. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I
offered a bounty of $50 to some guy in Ireland (I'm sorry I've forgotten your
name - please get in contact if you read this) to write me out a full
installation guide to take a bare/blank hard drive and install debian, asterisk
and then freepbx.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>We
then posted these instructions onto the asterisk-user mailing list and then
Andrew then took this information and hard coded it into an ISO cd - which
because Asterisk@home which became Trixbox.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>The
point being I as an end user 'desired' something but had no way of making it
happen.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Just
because users don’t go off an learn java and improve on Jiax doesn't mean
there isn't demand for it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>In
addition while I'm on my soapbox......... I work very heavily on the 6 month
rule.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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in 6 months<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>So
my point being – whilst asterisk is a ‘nice’ application
unless it’s continually pushing the boundaries….like click to talk
from a web page…..it will be overtaken by development from the Ciscos/MS
of the world.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Whilst
you may ‘sell asterisk’ as a plain vanilla device because
it’s cheaper – there will come a time when that differential gets a
lot smaller. There is a lot of value tied to the big name brand that you
aren’t taking into account.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Like
I’ve said before a lot of Asterisk future value is tied to utilising
external information easily as you would on a web page (check out some of the
work Thomas Howe Company and Iotum are doing for examples). Without this
it’s just a cheap pbx.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Dean
Collins<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Cognation
Pty Ltd<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>dean@cognation.net
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>+1-212-203-4357<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>+61-2-9016-5642
(<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Sydney</st1:City></st1:place>
in-dial).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
Dean Collins <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, 18 December 2007
12:52 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'Commercial and
Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [asterisk-biz]
Ribbit.com ?</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>
</span></font><span lang=EN-US>-----Original Message-----</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>
</span></font><span lang=EN-US>From: asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-biz-</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>
</span></font><span lang=EN-US>bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Totaro</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>
</span></font><span lang=EN-US>Sent: Tuesday, 18 December 2007 11:49 AM</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>
</span></font><span lang=EN-US>To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk
Discussion</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>
</span></font><span lang=EN-US>Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Ribbit.com ?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>
Dean,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>
I wish it were mine to give back.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>
I worked with/for a group. It is not my IP since it was not my code and<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>
even the stuff I did myself (not very useful anyways) was on contracted<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>
time. The contract was very specific about who owned the IP to any code<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>
developed. Technically, by contract I should not have any code in my<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>
possession at this point.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><a name="OLE_LINK2"></a><a name="OLE_LINK1"></a><font
size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> The point is, the JIAX
code could and has been easily modified to create</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>
a free Java web based IAX softphone if someone just did it. To me, that<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>
indicates lack of demand (in the opensource area anyways).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>
Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>
Steve Totaro<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>
Dean Collins wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>
> Steve,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>
> I'm confused about why you decided not to use your development or offer<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>
> it back to the community?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>
><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>
> If you've got it and don't want to use it I'm sure there are some people<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>
> on the list that would like to see what you've done and implement it on<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>
> a no-support basis.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>
><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>
> Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>
><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>
> Dean Collins<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>
> Cognation Pty Ltd<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>
> dean@cognation.net<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>
> +1-212-203-4357<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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> +61-2-9016-5642 (<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Sydney</st1:City></st1:place>
in-dial).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>
><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>ilman/listinfo/asterisk-biz<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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