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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Standardized pricing is an interesting
idea. How do we solve the issue of different international markets?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>/Derrick<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>bob murphy<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, October 11, 2007
8:33 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Commercial and
Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [asterisk-biz] Check
this out :(</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>And let's not forget the Cisco UC500. I attended
an orientation and while it is nice to look at, there's no multi site
interoperability (yeah why destroy call manager and unified messenger revenue),
limited extension support (32) and you can only use Cisco IP phones. So
at 750 to 900 per extension installed, it's no threat to those of us pursuing
50 to 300 seat enterprises. Up in that space, it's the usual suspects
(Cisco0, Nortel, Shoretel et al) at $1, 000.00 to $1,400.00 per phone installed.
Oh and no call center at those prices. We should all get together and
attempt to standardize some pricing models so we all continue to enjoy healthy
profitability. Technology comes and goes. Integration and
implementation expertise is always valuable. Just wait until it's
VOKS! Voice Over Kitchen Sink. Then, my Friends, we will need to
worry. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Bob Murphy<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span class=gmailquote><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>On 10/11/07, <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>shadowym</span></b> <<a
href="mailto:shadowym@hotmail.com">shadowym@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:</span></font></span>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>I get a kick out of people talking about this product
like they have been<br>
using it for years. There aren't even any detailed spec's out and
nobody <br>
really knows the price. It's just Marketecture at this point. The
pricing<br>
they have talked about doesn't include the external PSTN gateway for one<br>
thing and no talk of optional features which they will of course charge more <br>
for.<br>
<br>
And do you really think this thing will "just work" right out of the
box<br>
first revision? Since when has ANYTHING "just worked" from
M$ right out of<br>
the gate or even 2 or 3 revisions later. And we are not talking
about some <br>
consumer toy here. It's a business PBX so the bar is MUCH higher and
the<br>
customer MUCH more discerning.<br>
<br>
Actually, I seem to recall the same sorts of discussions when Linksys was<br>
coming out with their SPA9000 and now here we are and nothing has really <br>
changed. It doesn't work as well as people thought it
would. It is more<br>
expensive than people thought it would be once you put together all the<br>
pieces and add all the options. This is Linksys/Cisco which has a
lot more <br>
telecom experience and focus than M$.<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Alex Balashov [mailto:<a href="mailto:abalashov@evaristesys.com">abalashov@evaristesys.com</a>]<br>
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 2:48 PM <br>
To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion<br>
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Check this out :(<br>
<br>
<br>
Yeah, but it has brand identity and well-defined, ubiquitous purpose and<br>
performance characteristics. Of course, as you rightly observe, that
can <br>
have nothing to do with intrinsic merit or the monetisation aspect of<br>
market acceptance (as opposed to the "hype" aspect).<br>
<br>
I would wager there is going to be a lot of noise about Microsoft<br>
telephony systems in the foreseeable future, due to its ability to <br>
engineer it. But it seems to me like a very inflexible small-office<br>
PBX; the moment any kind of sophistication or polymorphism is
required,<br>
it's time to look elsewhere for something customisable, open-source and <br>
multifarious.<br>
<br>
And VoIP is kind of like that - look at all the things we are doing with<br>
it every day that extend far, far outside the domain of traditional PBX<br>
expectations. Customised IVR systems, data acquisition interfaces,
some <br>
degree of carrier network element functionality and switching,<br>
translation, routing, peering... a lot of the ingenuity of what is, in the<br>
end, a business-oriented Asterisk PBX system depends on the ability to<br>
flexibly integrate this type of functionality.<br>
<br>
-- Alex<br>
<br>
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007, shadowym wrote:<br>
<br>
> The Xbox is just a PC running gaming software for the consumer market.<br>
They<br>
> have remained committed to it for years and lost a lot of money in the <br>
> process. Despite what "impression" you may have by
all the advertising<br>
and<br>
> hype, they continue to be spanked by Nintendo which sells 2 or 3 boxes for<br>
> every one Xbox. Or maybe it's the Sony or maybe
both. Can't remember <br>
which<br>
> but Google will tell you.<br>
><br>
> The only reason people seem to want it is for online Halo so it's a one<br>
> trick pony. They just lost a billion dollars on that massive
recall for<br>
> consoles going dead as well. <br>
><br>
> From: Aleks Clark [mailto:<a href="mailto:aleks.clark@gmail.com">aleks.clark@gmail.com</a>]<br>
> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 10:49 AM<br>
> To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion <br>
> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Check this out :(<br>
><br>
> I dunno about the core competency...seems the Xbox is doing ok :D<br>
> On 10/11/07, Alex Balashov <<a href="mailto:abalashov@evaristesys.com">abalashov@evaristesys.com
</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:abalashov@evaristesys.com">abalashov@evaristesys.com</a>>
> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Indeed. We should all so be so lucky as to have an R&D
budget 1/128th of<br>
> that size. I've got lots of stuff I'd like to throw at the
wall. I'm <br>
> sure you do too.<br>
><br>
> On Thu, 11 Oct 2007, shadowym wrote:<br>
><br>
>> I agree,<br>
>><br>
>> M$ is a blaster company. They blast the wall with all sorts
of stuff to<br>
> see<br>
>> what sticks and if nothing much happens after a year or two they move
on. <br>
>> The farther away they are from their core competency the less likey
they<br>
>> will remain committed to making a good product and sticking with
it. An<br>
> IP<br>
>> PBX is a LONG ways from their core compentency. <br>
>><br>
>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>> From: Alex Balashov [mailto:<a href="mailto:abalashov@evaristesys.com">abalashov@evaristesys.com</a>]<br>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 11:28 PM<br>
>> To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion<br>
>> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Check this out :(<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> I am not particularly beset with the impression that the VoIP business
<br>
>> community has anything to fear from this product or the particular<br>
>> vendor's attempt to enter the space.<br>
>><br>
>> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007, Derrick Moennick wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> Looks like just another strong player entering into the IP
telephony <br>
>>> world to make sure the world goes this route.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Derrick<br>
>>><br>
>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>>> From: <a href="mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com">asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com</a><br>
>>> [mailto: <mailto:<a
href="mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com">asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com</a>><br>
> <a href="mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com">asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com</a>]
On Behalf Of Michael S.<br>
>>> White<br>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 6:57 PM<br>
>>> To: 'Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion' <br>
>>> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Check this out :(<br>
>>><br>
>>> I noticed this a while back - My thoughts were.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Hmmm. I'm sure it will only require 3-4 reboots a day! <br>
>>><br>
>>> Mike<br>
>>> <a href="http://www.8774e4voip.com">http://www.8774e4voip.com</a>
<<a href="http://www.8774e4voip.com/">http://www.8774e4voip.com/</a>><br>
>>><br>
>>> <br>
>>><br>
>>> Saysan Wrote-<br>
>>> <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/responsepoint/default.mspx">http://www.microsoft.com/responsepoint/default.mspx</a><br>
>>><br>
>><br>
>> -- <br>
>> Alex Balashov<br>
>> Evariste Systems<br>
>> Web : <a href="http://www.evaristesys.com/">http://www.evaristesys.com/</a><br>
>> Tel : +1-678-954-0670<br>
>> Direct : +1-678-954-0671<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
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> --<br>
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