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<DIV></DIV>From: <I>asterisk-biz-request@lists.digium.com</I><BR>Reply-To: <I>asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com</I><BR>To: <I>asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com</I><BR>Subject: <I>asterisk-biz Digest, Vol 18, Issue 62</I><BR>Date: <I>Sat, 14 Jan 2006 08:01:24 -0700 (MST)</I><BR>>Send asterisk-biz mailing list submissions to<BR>> asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com<BR>><BR>>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<BR>> http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz<BR>>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<BR>> asterisk-biz-request@lists.digium.com<BR>><BR>>You can reach the person managing the list at<BR>> asterisk-biz-owner@lists.digium.com<BR>><BR>>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<BR>>than "Re: Contents of asterisk-biz
digest..."<BR>><BR>><BR>>Today's Topics:<BR>><BR>> 1. Re: Asterisk Service Provider System (with GUI)<BR>> (Christopher Bergstr?m)<BR>> 2. Re: Asterisk GUI (trixter aka Bret McDanel)<BR>> 3. Re: Asterisk GUI (Zoa)<BR>> 4. European VoIP providers (Matt Riddell (IT))<BR>> 5. Re: European VoIP providers (trixter aka Bret McDanel)<BR>> 6. Re: European VoIP providers (Christopher Bergstr?m)<BR>> 7. Re: European VoIP providers (trixter aka Bret McDanel)<BR>><BR>><BR>>----------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>><BR>>Message: 1<BR>>Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 04:09:20 +0200<BR>>From: Christopher Bergstr?m
<cbergstrom@netsyncro.com><BR>>Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Asterisk Service Provider System (with<BR>> GUI)<BR>>To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion<BR>> <asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com><BR>>Message-ID: <43C85D50.6000705@netsyncro.com><BR>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed<BR>><BR>>A few people posted interest in some "Free" or OSS software because of<BR>>the nice screenshot. I'm highly interested in working with some gurus,<BR>>testers and developers in building an enterprise grade product that is<BR>>GPL or similar licensed..<BR>><BR>>Based on what I've been reading for keeping things to a minimum on a<BR>>server..<BR>><BR>>Apache is bloated for a simple job such as a control panel. Lighttpd<BR>>aka lighty might be worth looking into.. It also has the
ability to just<BR>>forward the fast-cgi requests to another backend server which can do all<BR>>the processing.. Thus kinda works around and allowing for a mix of both<BR>>worlds.<BR>><BR>>Anyhow, to the point..<BR>>A port of it to Asterisk-java to .Net/Mono (.Net on linux) has a base<BR>>for the AGI and other things which are needed..<BR>><BR>>(http://www.gotdotnet.com/codegallery/news/viewnews.aspx?id=7948963b-7a3b-4303-9118-da800f4f84c3)<BR>>SF site minimal content (http://asterisk-dotnet.sourceforge.net/)<BR>><BR>>If I get a good response I'm interested in really trying to expand the<BR>>functionality of this. Those interested in supporting the software on<BR>>an enterprise level would have leads forwarded to them as
well..<BR>><BR>>Feedback?<BR>><BR>>C.<BR>><BR>><BR>>------------------------------<BR>><BR>>Message: 2<BR>>Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:39:48 -0800<BR>>From: trixter aka Bret McDanel <trixter@0xdecafbad.com><BR>>Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Asterisk GUI<BR>>To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion<BR>> <asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com><BR>>Message-ID: <1137213588.16226.74.camel@trix.home.tld><BR>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<BR>><BR>>On Sat, 2006-01-14 at 02:05 +0200, Zoa wrote:<BR>> > The resources taken up by apache or the mysql are as good as non<BR>> > existant (especially as it will be idling most of the time), as long as<BR>> > you don't do big queries (e.g. a search for a certain CDR). And if you<BR>> > do big queries it doesn't matter if there is 1 call or 100
calls going<BR>> > on. (they will aaaall gooo doooown toooogether....:-).<BR>> ><BR>><BR>>Generally I agree that if you arent really using the software then that<BR>>software will have no effect, however that depends on how its used,<BR>>which is why I qualified my statements the way I did. I for example use<BR>>mysql to hold about 500k routes which is consulted for every call made.<BR>>I would not recommend someone running that on the same system as<BR>>asterisk unless its a really low volume server. That query isnt that<BR>>unfriendly one or two at a time, but when you start calling stuff from<BR>>all over it can become unfriendly in quantity. I have seen other stuff<BR>>that is far worse.<BR>><BR>><BR>> > Yes, apache might crash and might take up all resources. (But how often<BR>> > did you
see that happen on a server with a configuration tool that is<BR>> > used once, and then left alone most of the time ?)<BR>> ><BR>><BR>>That also assumes that apache doesnt have security problems, which isnt<BR>>a guarantee given that there have been problems with apache itself,<BR>>addon modules commonly shipped, or with scripts (like php) that are<BR>>called. Having it there can lead to compromising situations, however if<BR>>you filter it so only your admin group of ips can connect you have kept<BR>>the kids away, although a lot of firewalls can be tricked into letting<BR>>traffic through they otherwise are told to reject. If you run something<BR>>on a production server that is exposed to the internet it should be kept<BR>>up with security patches not just firewall and forget.<BR>><BR>>--<BR>>Trixter
http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel<BR>>UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402<BR>>US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200<BR>>FreeWorldDialup: 635378<BR>>http://www.sacaug.org/ Sacramento Asterisk Users Group<BR>>-------------- next part --------------<BR>>A non-text attachment was scrubbed...<BR>>Name: not available<BR>>Type: application/pgp-signature<BR>>Size: 189 bytes<BR>>Desc: This is a digitally signed message part<BR>>Url : http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-biz/attachments/20060113/ae1f479e/attachment-0001.pgp<BR>><BR>>------------------------------<BR>><BR>>Message: 3<BR>>Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:12:48 +0200<BR>>From: Zoa <zoachien@securax.org><BR>>Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Asterisk GUI<BR>>To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion<BR>>
<asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com><BR>>Message-ID: <43C8B280.1080205@securax.org><BR>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed<BR>><BR>><BR>>Hehe, its normal to hate the operator panel :) I've never used it myself<BR>>either. It has some nasty bugs, and is still the first version ever<BR>>released. (and we didnt spend a minute on it since we released it).<BR>><BR>>When we have some time we will make it the way it should be. (for now<BR>>all resources go to other projects soon to be announced :)<BR>><BR>>Zoa<BR>><BR>>Saul Diaz wrote:<BR>><BR>> > Ok. I never expect that my small screenshot will cause this big fuzz.<BR>> ><BR>> > Let me said first that we love the Thirdlane and the Switchvox GUI.<BR>> ><BR>> > The idea of our manager was take out the web server from
the asterisk<BR>> > from the beginning, we replace that with an asterisk manage proxy<BR>> > (daemon), but we also needs that for listening the recordings (but we<BR>> > can use a mini httpd for this).<BR>> ><BR>> > Astlinux use Astmanproxy for example and works fine with Pbxware. We<BR>> > try our manager with Astlinux and Astmanproxy and works fine. We don’t<BR>> > think that we are yet at the same level than the thirdlane and the<BR>> > switchvox in configuration matters but for monitoring definitely we<BR>> > are well prepare for any battle… We can monitor the status of a phone<BR>> > and we known in realtime when the phone have a problem, get reset, or<BR>> > simply lost the registration, we can see the activity of an asterisk<BR>> > server without even go to the asterisk, and like switchbox we can<BR>> >
monitor the cpu utilization and soon memory, and even network<BR>> > utilization. Making my product better for a call center administration<BR>> > than a pbx or a calling card solution, we are also almost 100%<BR>> > compatible with astcc.<BR>> ><BR>> > Zoa by the way we also love your astertest, keep the good work in<BR>> > asteriskguru, but sorry we hate your operator panel J.<BR>> ><BR>> > We test our manager in a 300 seat with a predictive dialer (no<BR>> > asterisk) running with about 250 - 300 simultaneous calls.<BR>> ><BR>> > For the asterisk 1.2.X you don't need connection to the db server. You<BR>> > can do a few things that allow you to avoid that, b/c after all,<BR>> > asterisk is already connected to the db server if u are using<BR>> > real-time. We are addressing that, for the moment we work
with<BR>> > Mysql-Realtime.<BR>> ><BR>> > Every of then have his pro and his cons, in our system as soon I set<BR>> > the realtime. I don’t need to do anything b/c the rest is done by the<BR>> > manager, making the life very easy for our customers.<BR>> ><BR>> > The majority of this things are very hard to do in a web admin not<BR>> > matter how friendly the admin is<BR>> ><BR>> > Regards<BR>> ><BR>> > Saul<BR>> ><BR>> > _______________________________________________<BR>> > --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com --<BR>> ><BR>> > asterisk-biz mailing list<BR>> > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit:<BR>> >
http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>------------------------------<BR>><BR>>Message: 4<BR>>Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 14:20:11 +0100<BR>>From: "Matt Riddell (IT)" <matt.riddell@sineapps.com><BR>>Subject: [asterisk-biz] European VoIP providers<BR>>To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion<BR>> <asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com><BR>>Message-ID: <43C8FA8B.2010404@sineapps.com><BR>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed<BR>><BR>>Christopher Bergström wrote:<BR>> > Since everyone is reading this topic may I steal the limelight..<BR>> ><BR>> > For my request for European VoIP providers.. I only had three offers..<BR>> ><BR>> > Two were interesting, but I can't imagine this should be it?? I'm not<BR>> > looking
for bottom bargain prices.. I just want latency to a sip gateway<BR>> > under 100ms and that isn't backhauling across the pond via IP.. PSTN<BR>> > will perform better.. I also need a way to transverse being double nated<BR>> > at times.. (proxy and not STUN)<BR>> ><BR>> > Anyone else that can do this?<BR>><BR>>Hi,<BR>><BR>>Drop us a line off list <matt@gedameurope.com> and we'll see what we can do.<BR>><BR>>:)<BR>><BR>>And to people in the following countries, happy * day to you:<BR>><BR>>Duruthu Full Moon Poya Day Sri Lanka<BR>>New Year (Orthodox) Bosnia-Herzegovina<BR>>Old New Year's Day Macedonia<BR>>Ratification Day United States of America<BR>>Serbian Orthodox New Year Yugoslavia<BR>>Maghi
Sikhism<BR>><BR>>(http://www.earthcalendar.net/_php/lookup.php?mode=date&m=01&d=14&y=2006)<BR>><BR>>--<BR>>Cheers,<BR>><BR>>Matt Riddell<BR>>_______________________________________________<BR>><BR>>http://www.sineapps.com/news.php (Daily Asterisk News - html)<BR>>http://freevoip.gedameurope.com (Free Asterisk Voip Community)<BR>>http://www.sineapps.com/rssfeed.php (Daily Asterisk News - rss)<BR>><BR>><BR>>------------------------------<BR>><BR>>Message: 5<BR>>Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 05:43:32 -0800<BR>>From: trixter aka Bret McDanel <trixter@0xdecafbad.com><BR>>Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] European VoIP providers<BR>>To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion<BR>> <asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com><BR>>Message-ID: <1137246212.16226.77.camel@trix.home.tld><BR>>Content-Type:
text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<BR>><BR>>On Sat, 2006-01-14 at 14:20 +0100, Matt Riddell (IT) wrote:<BR>> > And to people in the following countries, happy * day to you:<BR>> ><BR>> > Duruthu Full Moon Poya Day Sri Lanka<BR>> > New Year (Orthodox) Bosnia-Herzegovina<BR>> > Old New Year's Day Macedonia<BR>> > Ratification Day United States of America<BR>> > Serbian Orthodox New Year Yugoslavia<BR>> > Maghi Sikhism<BR>> ><BR>> > (http://www.earthcalendar.net/_php/lookup.php?mode=date&m=01&d=14&y=2006)<BR>> ><BR>><BR>>In keeping with the spirit of the holidays that was recently shown, what<BR>>madness is this? we dont support [insert something here just to make a<BR>>personal attack against someone without cause]...<BR>><BR>>:)<BR>><BR>>--<BR>>Trixter
http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel<BR>>UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402<BR>>US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200<BR>>FreeWorldDialup: 635378<BR>>http://www.sacaug.org/ Sacramento Asterisk Users Group<BR>>-------------- next part --------------<BR>>A non-text attachment was scrubbed...<BR>>Name: not available<BR>>Type: application/pgp-signature<BR>>Size: 189 bytes<BR>>Desc: This is a digitally signed message part<BR>>Url : http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-biz/attachments/20060114/a7ddc441/attachment-0001.pgp<BR>><BR>>------------------------------<BR>><BR>>Message: 6<BR>>Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:26:17 +0200<BR>>From: Christopher Bergstr?m <cbergstrom@netsyncro.com><BR>>Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] European VoIP providers<BR>>To: Commercial and Business-Oriented
Asterisk Discussion<BR>> <asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com><BR>>Message-ID: <43C90A09.8090202@netsyncro.com><BR>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed<BR>><BR>>trixter aka Bret McDanel wrote:<BR>><BR>> >On Sat, 2006-01-14 at 14:20 +0100, Matt Riddell (IT) wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> >>And to people in the following countries, happy * day to you:<BR>> >><BR>> >>Duruthu Full Moon Poya Day Sri Lanka<BR>> >>New Year (Orthodox) Bosnia-Herzegovina<BR>> >>Old New Year's Day Macedonia<BR>> >>Ratification Day United States of America<BR>> >>Serbian Orthodox New Year Yugoslavia<BR>> >>Maghi Sikhism<BR>> >><BR>> >>(http://www.earthcalendar.net/_php/lookup.php?mode=date&m=01&d=14&y=2006)<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>>
>><BR>> ><BR>> >In keeping with the spirit of the holidays that was recently shown, what<BR>> >madness is this? we dont support [insert something here just to make a<BR>> >personal attack against someone without cause]...<BR>> ><BR>> >:)<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>>You're trying to be somewhat politically correct.. This takes away from<BR>>the fun of it..<BR>><BR>>btw.. I'm highly considering forking this list and starting a moderated<BR>>* biz list elsewhere.. I'll keep everyone posted/spammed of my<BR>>intentions or contact me offlist with ideas/feedback.<BR>><BR>>C.<BR>><BR>><BR>>------------------------------<BR>><BR>>Message: 7<BR>>Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 07:01:26 -0800<BR>>From: trixter aka Bret McDanel <trixter@0xdecafbad.com><BR>>Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] European VoIP
providers<BR>>To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion<BR>> <asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com><BR>>Message-ID: <1137250886.16226.99.camel@trix.home.tld><BR>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15"<BR>><BR>>On Sat, 2006-01-14 at 16:26 +0200, Christopher Bergström wrote:<BR>> > You're trying to be somewhat politically correct.. This takes away from<BR>> > the fun of it..<BR>> ><BR>>I forgot my book of snappy insults :) Plus sending an email with the<BR>>intent to annoy is now illegal in america (it was a rider tacked onto a<BR>>bill no one could really vote against - unclear if it will be enforced,<BR>>but a felony for being anoying? That is a bit much and possibly<BR>>unconstitutional if not at least vague, there is no legal definition
of<BR>>'anoying').<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> > btw.. I'm highly considering forking this list and starting a moderated<BR>> > * biz list elsewhere.. I'll keep everyone posted/spammed of my<BR>> > intentions or contact me offlist with ideas/feedback.<BR>> ><BR>><BR>>good luck with that, dunno how well forked lists work, people have tried<BR>>for other reasons and those have never worked out well (specifically<BR>>with the asterisk community). And if you cause either too high of a<BR>>delay or to ostrict of a moderation filter it may not be liked by enough<BR>>people and that in itself causes problems.<BR>><BR>>Also a note, if you plan on either having the list in the US or serving<BR>>US people with the list research um ??? v Prodigy Networks sometime in<BR>>the late 80s/very very early 90s. There is another
case, I want to say<BR>>it involved Netcom with the inverse results, but dont remember this was<BR>>a case I studied back in 1992-1994 sometime when I was first starting to<BR>>really study law.<BR>><BR>>Prodigy had censored their lists, and then stopped. 3 months later<BR>>while uncensored some trade secrets were posted. Prodigy was found not<BR>>guilty because they no longer moderated. The courts decided that if you<BR>>moderate you implicitly approve everything that gets through and you<BR>>open yourself to a certain level of liability. There was an inverse<BR>>case that proved that part of it.<BR>><BR>>The Church of Scientology v Netcom was a similar but not quite identical<BR>>case where someone posted trade secrets (their brain washing techniques<BR>>and such - at least CoS claimed that
info was trade secret protected).<BR>>Netcom refused to reveal the users true identity for the usenet posting<BR>>and cancel that users account so they were found guilty (I think its an<BR>>obscure ruling but meh).<BR>><BR>><BR>>moderated lists can get you into trouble if you arent really careful :/<BR>>At least in america - and the laws here generally apply to a list or<BR>>service if there is one customer from here that is a subscriber.<BR>><BR>>--<BR>>Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel<BR>>UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402<BR>>US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200<BR>>FreeWorldDialup: 635378<BR>>http://www.sacaug.org/ Sacramento Asterisk Users Group<BR>>-------------- next part --------------<BR>>A non-text attachment was scrubbed...<BR>>Name: not available<BR>>Type:
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