<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">We already have developed similar porducts
but it would caost more then 1000. Pls contact me off-list if want more
detail discussion about our system</font>
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<br><font size=2><tt>Sounds like someone has been burned by the intern
approach. I for one have<br>
been burned by the outsourced approach. There are merits to both. It all<br>
comes down to finding competent people.<br>
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Funding an intern to give them the opportunity to grow into a full-time
lead<br>
technical role is both charitable and CAN make long-term business sense.<br>
Everyone was a student once. Much depends on the person. Find a rock star<br>
and be happy. Companies spend money training employees because depending
on<br>
how you run the numbers, there is a greater opportunity cost to constantly<br>
relying on outside expertise rather than investing in in-house human<br>
resource building. Example: I had a roommate who coded high-end Java<br>
applications for $15/hour. Sure his first 6 months were worth $0 in actual<br>
produced value, but his next 18 months were more than worth the initial<br>
investment in 'free learning time.' As an added bonus, you have a<br>
ready-to-go fulltime employee who needs no learning curve at full salary
for<br>
the initial month or two.<br>
<br>
Can you build a business on that? No. Can you expand a business on that?<br>
Most definitely.<br>
<br>
Expertise costs time or money or both. You can accelerate one in exchange<br>
for the other. I believe what you are saying is, "you can't have your
cake<br>
and eat it too," OR, "it takes money to make money," or
a thousand other<br>
cliches that are "cliché but true." lol.<br>
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On 11/12/04 1:59 PM, "Race Vanderdecken" <asterisk@vanderdecken.com>
wrote:<br>
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> As to "hiring an intern" you might as well burn the money
or give it to<br>
> charity. <br>
> <br>
> I can't imagine any business putting its future in the hands of an<br>
> intern. I have watched a couple of companies waste 6 months cause
they<br>
> think they can do it in house or with cheaper labor (he says from
his<br>
> soapbox.) <br>
> <br>
> A competent programming could have done the work in a month and they<br>
> could be selling their product.<br>
> <br>
> Get a plan and then hire the right people, which may or may not be
an<br>
> intern.<br>
> <br>
> The economic principle is called "Opportunity Costs." This
is the money<br>
> lost by not having the opportunity to make money. So the six months<br>
> worth of sales lost plus the labor money burned must be accounted
for.<br>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunity_cost<br>
> <br>
> Yes it is open source and it is free to all who would like to have
it,<br>
> but if you are building a serious business then you have to pay costs,<br>
> whether they are opportunity, hidden or real.<br>
> <br>
> It amuses me to watch companies that are going to use Asterisk to
get<br>
> rich selling telephone service but they never seem to have the money
to<br>
> get started, if only they could get everything for free they could
make<br>
> a bundle.<br>
> <br>
> Race Vanderdecken<br>
> <br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com<br>
> [mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of ChitChat
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> Info<br>
> Sent: 12 November 2004 14:32<br>
> To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion<br>
> Subject: Re: [Asterisk-biz] Starting a Calling Card Business $1000<br>
> <br>
> Off the top of my head, here are some other things to consider:<br>
> <br>
> * tracking of payphone surcharges and remittances<br>
> * reporting functionalities - what's my profit, etc. How many cards
have<br>
> been used?<br>
> * how accurate is the billing system. Trust me, the smallest error
can<br>
> cost<br>
> you thousands of dollars. Prepaid cards mean that you can't track
the<br>
> person<br>
> down and just say "give us some money for the free minutes we<br>
> accidentally<br>
> gave you"<br>
> * routing tables - how do you change the carrier on a<br>
> destination-by-destination basis based on price/quality.<br>
> * anti-fraud - can you block 'bad' people from hacking your box, trying<br>
> pin<br>
> combinations, blocking inbound numbers, blocking specific destinations?<br>
> * refill, pin creation, batch creation, batch cancellation, distributor<br>
> tracking, inventory tracking.<br>
> <br>
> I think Asterisk is amazing and we are hiring an intern to invest<br>
> time/money<br>
> into and see what he/she can 'come up with' on Asterisk, but companies<br>
> that<br>
> charge tens of thousands to set up proprietary systems aren't worthless<br>
> just<br>
> yet. I think Asterisk will catch up with smart people writing the
code,<br>
> but<br>
> there is still a way to go between 'class 4 switch' and Asterisk PBX.
I<br>
> love<br>
> it though...<br>
> <br>
> On 11/12/04 1:09 PM, "Steve Totaro" <stotaro@totarotechnologies.com><br>
> wrote:<br>
> <br>
>> If it's so easy then why pay $1,000?<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>> From: asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com<br>
>> [mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Rehan<br>
> Ahmed<br>
>> Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 2:00 PM<br>
>> To: asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com<br>
>> Subject: [Asterisk-biz] Starting a Calling Card Business $1000<br>
>> <br>
>> Dear All,<br>
>> <br>
>> Setting up a calling card on asterisk is very easy.<br>
>> <br>
>> Setup an asterisk box,<br>
>> <br>
>> Buy DID numbers<br>
>> <br>
>> Buy termination from a wholesale provider<br>
>> <br>
>> Install the asterisk calling card software which is free<br>
>> <br>
>> And you are up and running<br>
>> <br>
>> If some one wants us to do it, we can do it for 999$<br>
>> <br>
>> This will include installation of asteris, and software, and<br>
> generating<br>
>> the first 1000 <br>
>> cards, setting up the rate table, buying did, buying termination.<br>
>> <br>
>> Rehan Ahmed<br>
>> Director Business Development<br>
>> <br>
>> Super Technologies Inc.<br>
>> Super Technologies Inc.<br>
>> http://www.supertec.com - Technologies from tomorrow, TODAY!<br>
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>> 1800 <br>
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>> <br>
>> <br>
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