[asterisk-biz] asterisk-biz Digest, Vol 68, Issue 56

[Nauman Ibrahim]

No wonder,  that crappy email got me  4 genuine leads.You need to find a new
forum, where you can let your burst out.
This is a professional forum, not a place where you publicly come and make
fun of others.

On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 9:36 PM, <asterisk-biz-request at lists.digium.com>wrote:

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>   1. Re: asterisk-biz Digest, Vol 68, Issue 53 (Alex Balashov)
>   2. Re: OpenSIPS Bootcamp (Daniel-Constantin Mierla) (Alex Balashov)
>   3. Re: Bandwidth.com Sales Contact (Yaro Donchenko)
>   4. Re: OpenSIPS Bootcamp (Daniel-Constantin Mierla)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:47:32 -0400
> From: Alex Balashov <abalashov at evaristesys.com>
> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] asterisk-biz Digest, Vol 68, Issue 53
> To: asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com
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> On 03/31/2010 11:01 AM, Nauman Ibrahim wrote:
>
> > I appreciate you all coming up to this forum and speaking on behalf of
> > me.
>
> In all fairness, nobody was speaking on behalf of you.  You sent out a
> crappy e-mail, I made fun of you, and all this provided fodder for an
> interesting tangent.
>
> > Actually I kept myself quiet, thinking whether it would be
> > appropriate to come forward and say something to Mr.Alex the so called
> > self proclaimed lingo genius
>
> When did I proclaim this?
>
> > clients who were not interested in how i was talking or
> > writing but rather  what I was presenting to them and in what manner.
>
> East meets West.  :-)  My turn to say, "welcome to the new global market."
>
> > A good example is to look at Japanese or Chinese. If you wanna do
> > business with them they do not communicate in written or spoken
> > English.So take the hint.
>
> I imagine they communicate in Japanese or Chinese.  What is the hint?
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:50:10 -0400
> From: Alex Balashov <abalashov at evaristesys.com>
> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] OpenSIPS Bootcamp (Daniel-Constantin
>        Mierla)
> To: asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com
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> Flavio,
>
> Both projects arise from OpenSER, and OpenSIPS does not have the right
> to claim inheritance to the mantle of OpenSER categorically and
> exclusively.
>
> Chronologically, Daniel's statement is factual.  The OpenSER project
> was renamed to Kamailio in August 2008 several days before the
> OpenSIPS fork from it was announced.
>
> -- Alex
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 12:29:58 -0400
> From: Yaro Donchenko <yaro at ovetel.com>
> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Bandwidth.com Sales Contact
> To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
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> Go with Broadvox
>
> Best Regards
> Yaro Donchenko
> VP of Business Development
> OVE Telecom LLC
> Work: +1.212.401.0707 ext 107
> Mobile: +1.917.267.9276
> www.ovetelecom.com
> Yahoo: ovetelecom
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com
> [mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Peter Beckman
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 3:06 PM
> To: Asterisk-Biz List
> Subject: [asterisk-biz] Bandwidth.com Sales Contact
>
> I had a short burst of communication with someone at bandwidth.com about 2
> weeks ago, signed an NDA, got pricing, and now haven't heard back from
> them in 2 weeks after a few subsequent calls and emails.
>
> I also called their 800 number twice today, but got voicemail both times
> when trying to get to the Sales department.
>
> Anyone know if there is some sort of problem there?  Anyone have a better
> more reliable contact there?  I'd like to get an account, but it is
> proving to be difficult, which worries me.
>
> Beckman
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 18:30:35 +0200
> From: Daniel-Constantin Mierla <miconda at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] OpenSIPS Bootcamp
> To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
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> Cc: Flavio Goncalves <flavio at voffice.com.br>
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> Hi Flavio,
>
> On 3/31/10 4:13 PM, Flavio Goncalves wrote:
> > Hi Daniel,
> > I really didn?t want to get into the politics about OpenSIPS versus
> > Kamailio(Siprouter or whatever you have named in the last two years)
> > and this does not seem to be the right place, but I?m obligated to
> > answer your post.  In the first place, try http://www.openser.org
> > <http://www.openser.org/>.
> since you promote this as "former OpenSER" I expect you have more
> knowledge about it and you know what you are doing training about. I saw
> you are now entitled yourself as co-founder of opensips software
> foundation, therefore I assume you are aware of what you got in. Or is
> just mania about titles ...
>
> Pointing a domain is useless, openser is an application, and the
> application is about source code. Regarding domains, just try
> http://www.openser-project.org, http://www.openser.com and
> http://www.openser.net.
>
> The source code was in a single place since 2005 to march 2009,
> sourceforge.net openser project. Period.
>
> > In the second place, the ownership of sourceforge does not entitle you
> > as the owner of the name or the project.
>
> Well, as you contributed nothing in terms of code, money and time to
> bring openser at this stage, but now you use its name for own financial
> reasons, it is in the open source spirit that you should give the proper
> credits and try to figure out the truth and present it correctly. It is
> not only me that contributed there, you will see that apart of the three
> developers that created the fork, all the openser developers are still
> with kamailio, they dedicated time and resources for many years and now
> you simply trash them.
>
>
> > Do you have the trademark of OpenSER?  I don't think so.  The
> > information I have from the OpenSIPS project is below -
> > http://www.opensips.org/Main/About.
> >
> > "*/OpenSIPS/* <http://www.opensips.org/>/ is the new name for the
> > /*/OpenSER/* <http://www.openser.org/>/ project. /
> >
> > /Voice System/ <http://www.voice-system.ro/>/ (your former company)/
> >
>
> If you talk about Voice Sistem SRL, company created in 2004, then I
> still own 50% of the shares (since end of 2005 when I got them) and it
> is not behind opensips at all. You may have been misled somehow and you
> work with Voice Systems Solutions created in 2008. None of the
> developers you see at opensips can be employed by Voice Sistem SRL, that
> company does not have a legal representative, so it cannot act in any
> business relationship for at least past two years. If you or someone
> else did it, then it is a scam and may end in other troubles. You can
> address any EU country Registry of Commerce to learn more about
> companies in EU space - in this way you are sure your business relations
> are legal.
>
> > / started the *OpenSER* project back in 2005/
> >
>
> This is where your project has to agree. OpenSER was started by three
> people, one of them being employed by Siemens in Germany at that time
> (with kamailio now), another being myself (and I was not employed by
> anybody when I registered openser to sourceforge.net) and the other that
> did the fork.
>
> Check this one, they filtered better the fuzz create by some:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenSER
>
> The Voice Systems Solutions company couldn't start openser because it
> didn't exist when the project started in 2005.
>
> On the other hand you say opensips is continuation of openser, but on
> the web there is "only one founder" of opensips project. Shouldn't be
> three?
>
> > / and strongly supported it since then - like man power, organizing
> > and sponsoring events, developing and overviewing the development and
> > sustaining the projects. In 2008, due some Trademark issues over the
> > name, the project had to go for the new name - and *OpenSIPS* is the
> > new name of the project. //Voice System/
> > <http://www.voice-system.ro/>/ team has strongly contributed to the
> > generic effort of migrating to the new name - SVN, web site,
> > documentation, etc./ "
> >
> > If you don't agree and want to keep this discussion, I will suggest
> > that, you and your old partner talk about this and decide a mutual
> > agreed policy about the old name in a proper place.  I write books and
> > training courseware, I'm not an actual or former employee or
> > co-owner of Voice-System. I did not fork, renamed or kicked out
> > developers of any sourceforge project.
> >
>
> Nobody was kicked from anywhere, from where did you get this? The only
> action taken when the fork was discovered (few hours before
> announcement) was to restrict admin rights (which meant only no longer
> ability to add/remove developers from project) - developer rights,
> tracker, user access, everything else was not touched. If others retired
> by free willing over the time, it was by their wish.
>
> I think you in opensips have something to clarify, check this email
> which was the announcement of opensips as new project:
>
> http://lists.openser-project.org/pipermail/users/2008-August/018793.html
>
> Then who was announcing openser renaming to kamailio?
>
> http://lists.openser-project.org/pipermail/users/2008-July/018681.html
>
> In which project are the two now? So don't tell me about changing names
> and minds... I do not need to abuse the work of others and project names
> for self promoting. Kamailio got best of open source software awards in
> 2009, even without forking developers, and it is not my price as
> co-founder, but the reward to entire devel and community team.
>
> Some people in your project cannot keep a direction from one day to
> another. You can try to spread FUD as much as you want regarding the
> names. It is only Kamailio since July 2008, SIP-Router.org is the
> development portal as SourceForge, that provides GIT repository and
> helped to merge Kamailio and SIP Express Router (SER) source trees so
> they share same C code now, making straightforward usage of extensions
> from both projects.
>
> So refrain to make statements and induce confusion about namings, again,
> either you are not well informed or you do it on purpose for your own
> reasons. You are smart enough to figure out in half an hour of reading...
>
>
> > I'm only posting some information about a training we will have in
> > April and this is the information I have.
> >
>
> Yes, I am sure it is the only information you had, if so then here are
> my apologizes. Hopefully next time you do it properly and do not spread
> information which is not accurate. I think I helped everybody that tried
> to contribute to openser project, including you, reviewing your book.
> But when people try sneaky things and fairness is forgotten, it must be
> reacted.
>
> My apologizes for people on this list for diverting from its purpose,
> but in open source I think is important to keep the truth sane. I am
> stopping here in this thread, no matter other replies will come,
> everybody reading has enough leads and are smart to figure out more by
> themselves.
>
> Cheers,
> Daniel
>
> --
> Daniel-Constantin Mierla
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> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 12:36:23 -0400
> From: Fred Posner <fred at teamforrest.com>
> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Bandwidth.com Sales Contact
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> On Mar 31, 2010, at 12:29 PM, Yaro Donchenko wrote:
>
> > Go with Broadvox
> >
> > Best Regards
> > Yaro Donchenko
> > VP of Business Development
> > OVE Telecom LLC
> > Work: +1.212.401.0707 ext 107
> > Mobile: +1.917.267.9276
> > www.ovetelecom.com
> > Yahoo: ovetelecom
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com
> > [mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Peter
> Beckman
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 3:06 PM
> > To: Asterisk-Biz List
> > Subject: [asterisk-biz] Bandwidth.com Sales Contact
> >
> > I had a short burst of communication with someone at bandwidth.com about
> 2
> > weeks ago, signed an NDA, got pricing, and now haven't heard back from
> > them in 2 weeks after a few subsequent calls and emails.
> >
> > I also called their 800 number twice today, but got voicemail both times
> > when trying to get to the Sales department.
> >
> > Anyone know if there is some sort of problem there?  Anyone have a better
> > more reliable contact there?  I'd like to get an account, but it is
> > proving to be difficult, which worries me.
> >
> > Beckman
> >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Peter Beckman
> > beckman at angryox.com
> > http://www.angryox.com/
> >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
> Similar experiences caused me to look at Flowroute. I've been using them
> now for 2 years and am very happy.
>
> ---fred
> http://qxork.com
>
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