[asterisk-biz] Capitalisation in English writing from Indian subcontinent

Thu Oct 8 05:17:05 CDT 2009

Hello Alex Sir,

I have given your url for your help. if you will see on home page errors will visible easily to you. 

http://www.evaristesys.com/

See homepage content only.

Keivn

________________________________
From: Alex Balashov <abalashov at evaristesys.com>
To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion <asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com>
Cc: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion <asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com>
Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 3:10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Capitalisation in English writing from Indian subcontinent

I do not object to your comment in the least.  However, it is quite useless to me without specific details of the errors you find.  

--Sent from mobile device

On Oct 8, 2009, at 5:33 AM, Kevin Smith <kevin_voip009 at yahoo.com> wrote:

Hello Alex Sir,
>
>
>I have seen your comment on various websites but I am sorry to tell you that if you will review your own website "http://www.evaristesys.com/".There are many spelling mistakes in content of home page of websites,so its better to improve ourself every time and not to waste time to comment on others.
>
>
>I hope you will not mind my comment
> and improve yourself.
>
>
>
________________________________
From: Alex Balashov <abalashov at evaristesys.com>
>To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion <asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com>
>Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 1:25:56 PM
>Subject: [asterisk-biz] Capitalisation in English writing from Indian subcontinent
>
>>This recent discussion got me wondering again about something which has 
>perplexed me for a while:  the unusual (from an Anglo-American 
>perspective) capitalisation patterns - chiefly of nouns - that seem to 
>consistently occur in technical and commercial copy we see that is 
>authored in India or Pakistan, presumably by speakers of the various 
>native English adaptations and/or dialects.  To a lesser but nontrivial 
>extent, I've also seen this from the Middle East.
>
>I suppose, in the interest of political correctness, that I ought to 
>preface this inquiry with the disclaimer that this is not intended to 
>offend anyone.  I realise I am quite known to make jabs from time to 
>time at various people's web sites and solicitations for poor 
>proofreading, bad spelling and grammar, etc. where it is obvious (to me, 
>anyway) that the cause is laziness and inattention rather than something 
>like a genuine
> struggle with a foreign language.
>
>In this case, my interest is purely academic;  I wouldn't waste time 
>writing this missive if it weren't.  There are far more economical and 
>brief ways to call someone specific out for sloppiness, and non-native 
>English speakers have no kind of monopoly on sloppiness anyway.
>
>All this to say: if you happen to be a non-native English speaker from 
>the aforementioned regions, don't bristle -- please take the question in 
>the spirit in which it's intended.
>
>Here are some examples of what I am referring to:
>
>From www.ngtlive.com[1]:
>
>-----
>
>"As a well known B2B expert of telecom vertical, we have delivered 
>applications that are meant to address ever emerging business 
>requirements. At NGT live we strive to develop and design world class 
>communication solutions and applications that
> offer
> operational 
>flexibility to business processes.
>
>These applications cover various core segments of Telecom verticals. 
>Whether there is a need for B2B Integration, Enterprise Application 
>integration or a Mobile Commerce portal, our globally acclaimed 
>solutions deliver business innovation capabilities and improved customer 
>services to several industry domains."
>
>-----
>
>From www.super-phone.com (front page):
>
>-----
>"Use your Favorite Instant Messenger like [icons] to make or receive 
>Phone calls."
>-----
>
>From didforsale.com[2]:
>
>-----
>"Say Good Bye to the expensive traditional way of obtaining inbound SIP 
>DIDs (VoIP virtual Phone numbers) through the local telephone companies."
>-----
>
>
>I've also seen this for years in correspondence
> from Indian technicians 
>on
> various mailing lists, as well as intra-organisationally in various 
>past jobs.
>
>I cannot identify any consistent criterion which the words capitalised 
>in the middle of sentences above meet.  It's certainly not nouns;  many 
>of the words are adjectives.  It's not adjectives;  many nouns are 
>capitalised too.  In the first example, "telecom" in "telecom vertical" 
>is non-capitalised in the first paragraph, but is in the second 
>("Telecom verticals").
>
>While I assume that the unconventional and grammatically impoverished 
>aspects are not under dispute, at the same time this tendency is too 
>predictable, consistently visible, and anchored to writers from that 
>part of the world to have the random properties of a truly chaotic 
>system.  The distribution is not sufficiently uniform to just chalk it 
>up to ill-grammarred writing.  I haven't seen this from other authors
> 
>hailing from other parts of the world whose English writing is also 
>certifiably poor, or, at the very least, deviant from curricular 
>standard in the US, Canada and the British Commonwealth.  I also don't 
>see this from people in other former British colonial countries in, for 
>example, Africa.
>
>There are other widespread signature errors from people from other 
>places, but not that particular one.  They are easier to explain because 
>they seem - mostly - to fall into the following two categories:
>
>1) The conscious or unconscious application of syntax, stylistic 
>conventions, habits of expression and formulation, etc. from another 
>language to English.
>
>2) Written expression of the idiosyncrasies of regional English 
>dialects, pidgin languages, etc.
>
>Those are all quite understandable.  This capitalisation thing has got 
>me stumped, though.  There is obviously a deliberate
> intent at work 
>here, even if it's being applied incompletely or incorrectly/sloppily 
>even in terms of what must be its own internally consistent rules.
>
>So, can anyone help me out here?  What are the "rules" governing such 
>capitalisation, whether or not they are being properly observed in the 
>samples I chose?  Why does this characteristic seem to be particular to 
>India and Pakistan, and not other former British colonial and/or 
>Commonwealth nations?
>
>If I had to take a wild stab at it, I would guess that the time at which 
>English-language was established in India by the British intersected 
>somehow with an era in which it was fashionable to capitalise nouns 
>other than proper nouns, rather in the German manner - which was the 
>case during the Victorian era, I gather.  I'm sure capitalisation 
>practices that seem dubious from a contemporary perspective obtained 
>widely in 18th century
> written English as well, and probably before it.
>But this doesn't explain why the same trend is not seen in other former 
>British colonies that were acquired in the 19th century, nor shed any 
>light on the underlying intent or "rules" -- I certainly can't infer any 
>guidelines from what I see.
>
>If someone could shed some light on this, I would be intrigued.
>
>Thanks!
>
>-- Alex
>
>[1] http://www.ngtlive.com/inner-left-sidebar/b2b-solutions
>
>[2] http://www.didforsale.com/moreinfo.php
>
>-- 
>Alex Balashov - Principal
>Evariste Systems
>Web     : http://www.evaristesys.com/
>Tel     : (+1) (678) 954-0670
>Direct  : (+1) (678)
> 954-0671
>
>_______________________________________________
>--Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com--
>
>AstriCon 2009 - October 13 - 15 Phoenix, Arizona
>Register Now: http://www.astricon.net
>
>asterisk-biz mailing
> list
>To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit:
>  http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
>
>
_______________________________________________
>--Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com--
>
>AstriCon 2009 - October 13 - 15 Phoenix, Arizona
>Register Now: http://www.astricon.net
>
>asterisk-biz mailing list
>To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit:
>  http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-biz/attachments/20091008/8d913132/attachment.htm 