[asterisk-biz] Dear Termination Providers,

[John Todd]

Peter -
   Your modifications for a negative route idea sound great!  How  
about updating the document I published with the idea?  Let's discuss  
the modifications, and then I'll put them in the next revision of the  
document. I doubt an RFC would ever be published on this (as RFCs  
generally don't talk about pricing and business rules) but certainly  
there can be an industry standard that "most" people can agree upon.

http://www.loligo.com/asterisk/misc/rates/

JT


On May 1, 2009, at 6:40 PM, Peter Beckman wrote:

> Alexander Harrowell wrote:
>
>> Isn't there a need for a Web service here?
> Not really.  Frankly I don't want to have to do a web-service call for
> every single call.  Plus LCR routing doesn't really work if you  
> don't know
> what the rate is.  I want to simply download and cache all rates for
> a given provider, not to dynamically fetch 20 rates from 20  
> providers for
> each call just to determine which one I should use.
>
> What's needed is a rate deck that includes every route the provider
> supports, US, Canada and everything else.
>
> There is also a problem with not being able to provide negative  
> routes.
>
>    52,0.05,Mexico
>
> What if you can't route to 52235?  Or you choose not to?  There's no  
> way to
> announce that, well other than:
>
>    52235,99999,Mexico
>
> But still, if nobody else can route it, my LCR engine might try to  
> route
> the call there.  It would fail, but if my call messed up, I might  
> charge
> $100,000 to my customer.  It would be silly, but possible.
>
> I just think we need to come up with an RFC for telecom termination
> providers to share their rates -- 3,000 rows or 300,000 rows.  I  
> think the
> format that another guy on this list started is good, but still  
> needs some
> refinement.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Peter Beckman                                                   
> Internet Guy
> beckman at angryox.com                                 http://www.angryox.com/
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> On Friday 01 May 2009 15:52:44 Tim Panton wrote:
> > On 27 Apr 2009, at 21:03, Peter Beckman wrote:
> > > On Fri, 24 Apr 2009, Miles Scruggs wrote:
> > >> I think you maybe shocked to see what a full rate deck actually  
> looks
> > >> like. A complete deck (if it is competitive) can be upwards of
> > >> 300,000
> > >> lines. If you have a termination provider that is selling US 48  
> at a
> > >> flat rate with no restrictions they either aren't doing it to  
> every
> > >> market, or it is way over priced. (If anyone out there wants to
> > >> terminate the US 48 with no restrictions for $0.01/min I have a
> > >> little
> > >> over 1,000,000 per day to send you)
> > >>
> > >> What really gets me is all the different ways that  
> international is
> > >> done, and the fact that most sheets give you names instead of  
> dialing
> > >> codes. Names are next to useless when trying to rate a call and
> > >> every
> > >> carrier has a different name for each dialing code compared to  
> the
> > >> next carrier out there. In short being competitive with your  
> rates,
> > >> and billing calls isn't not trivial which is why some billing
> > >> software
> > >> alone runs upwards of $100,000.
> > >>
> > >> None of these are great reasons for not publishing a deck, but  
> the
> > >> average person buying termination doesn't want to bother with a
> > >> 300,000 line long rate deck.
> > >
> > > That's ok -- don't publish it! But when I'm your customer, I want
> > > your
> > > rates, all of them, in a computer-digestable format, and easily
> > > updatable.
> > > If you are giving me a flat rate, I want to see that in the rate
> > > deck. If
> > > you want to publish something different to the public, great! But
> > > as a
> > > customer, I want the full rate deck for EVERY destination
> > > supported, so I
> > > don't have to manually update the rates you left out because you
> > > didn't
> > > consider the US worthy of inclusion.
> > >
> > > I understand some do full npanxx, but most I deal with (I'm a  
> small
> > > fry
> > > compared to your 1M minutes per day) give me a flat blended rate,
> > > and I
> > > want to know what I can and cannot terminate to and at what cost.
> >
> > Teliax have (had?) this web service that you can call with a number
> > and it returns the rate in xml.
> >
> > They also publish their rates as csv files so you can import them.
> >
> > Tim.
> Isn't there a need for a Web service here?

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