[asterisk-biz] Check this out :(

Thu Oct 11 22:32:34 CDT 2007

And let's not forget the Cisco UC500.  I attended an orientation and while
it is nice to look at, there's no multi site interoperability (yeah why
destroy call manager and unified messenger revenue), limited extension
support (32) and you can only use Cisco IP phones.  So at 750 to 900 per
extension installed, it's no threat to those of us pursuing 50 to 300 seat
enterprises.  Up in that space, it's the usual suspects (Cisco0, Nortel,
Shoretel et al) at $1,000.00 to $1,400.00 per phone installed.  Oh and no
call center at those prices.  We should all get together and attempt to
standardize some pricing models so we all continue to enjoy healthy
profitability.  Technology comes and goes.  Integration and implementation
expertise is always valuable.  Just wait until it's VOKS!  Voice Over
Kitchen Sink.  Then, my Friends, we will need to worry.

Bob Murphy

On 10/11/07, shadowym <shadowym at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I get a kick out of people talking about this product like they have been
> using it for years.  There aren't even any detailed spec's out and nobody
> really knows the price.  It's just Marketecture at this point. The pricing
> they have talked about doesn't include the external PSTN gateway for one
> thing and no talk of optional features which they will of course charge
> more
> for.
>
> And do you really think this thing will "just work" right out of the box
> first revision?  Since when has ANYTHING "just worked" from M$ right out
> of
> the gate or even 2 or 3 revisions later.  And we are not talking about
> some
> consumer toy here.  It's a business PBX so the bar is MUCH higher and the
> customer MUCH more discerning.
>
> Actually, I seem to recall the same sorts of discussions when Linksys was
> coming out with their SPA9000 and now here we are and nothing has really
> changed.  It doesn't work as well as people thought it would.  It is more
> expensive than people thought it would be once you put together all the
> pieces and add all the options.  This is Linksys/Cisco which has a lot
> more
> telecom experience and focus than M$.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alex Balashov [mailto:abalashov at evaristesys.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 2:48 PM
> To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Check this out :(
>
>
> Yeah, but it has brand identity and well-defined, ubiquitous purpose and
> performance characteristics.  Of course, as you rightly observe, that can
> have nothing to do with intrinsic merit or the monetisation aspect of
> market acceptance (as opposed to the "hype" aspect).
>
> I would wager there is going to be a lot of noise about Microsoft
> telephony systems in the foreseeable future, due to its ability to
> engineer it.  But it seems to me like a very inflexible small-office
> PBX;  the moment any kind of sophistication or polymorphism is required,
> it's time to look elsewhere for something customisable, open-source and
> multifarious.
>
> And VoIP is kind of like that - look at all the things we are doing with
> it every day that extend far, far outside the domain of traditional PBX
> expectations.  Customised IVR systems, data acquisition interfaces, some
> degree of carrier network element functionality and switching,
> translation, routing, peering... a lot of the ingenuity of what is, in the
> end, a business-oriented Asterisk PBX system depends on the ability to
> flexibly integrate this type of functionality.
>
> -- Alex
>
> On Thu, 11 Oct 2007, shadowym wrote:
>
> > The Xbox is just a PC running gaming software for the consumer market.
> They
> > have remained committed to it for years and lost a lot of money in the
> > process.  Despite what "impression" you may have by all the advertising
> and
> > hype, they continue to be spanked by Nintendo which sells 2 or 3 boxes
> for
> > every one Xbox.  Or maybe it's the Sony or maybe both.  Can't remember
> which
> > but Google will tell you.
> >
> > The only reason people seem to want it is for online Halo so it's a one
> > trick pony.  They just lost a billion dollars on that massive recall for
> > consoles going dead as well.
> >
> > From: Aleks Clark [mailto:aleks.clark at gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 10:49 AM
> > To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
> > Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Check this out :(
> >
> > I dunno about the core competency...seems the Xbox is doing ok :D
> > On 10/11/07, Alex Balashov <abalashov at evaristesys.com
> > <mailto:abalashov at evaristesys.com> > wrote:
> >
> > Indeed.  We should all so be so lucky as to have an R&D budget 1/128th
> of
> > that size.  I've got lots of stuff I'd like to throw at the wall.  I'm
> > sure you do too.
> >
> > On Thu, 11 Oct 2007, shadowym wrote:
> >
> >> I agree,
> >>
> >> M$ is a blaster company.  They blast the wall with all sorts of stuff
> to
> > see
> >> what sticks and if nothing much happens after a year or two they move
> on.
> >> The farther away they are from their core competency the less likey
> they
> >> will remain committed to making a good product and sticking with
> it.  An
> > IP
> >> PBX is a LONG ways from their core compentency.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Alex Balashov [mailto:abalashov at evaristesys.com]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 11:28 PM
> >> To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
> >> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Check this out :(
> >>
> >>
> >> I am not particularly beset with the impression that the VoIP business
> >> community has anything to fear from this product or the particular
> >> vendor's attempt to enter the space.
> >>
> >> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007, Derrick Moennick wrote:
> >>
> >>> Looks like just another strong player entering into the IP telephony
> >>> world to make sure the world goes this route.
> >>>
> >>> Derrick
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com
> >>> [mailto: <mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com>
> > asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Michael S.
> >>> White
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 6:57 PM
> >>> To: 'Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion'
> >>> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Check this out :(
> >>>
> >>> I noticed this a while back - My thoughts were.
> >>>
> >>> Hmmm. I'm sure it will only require 3-4 reboots a day!
> >>>
> >>> Mike
> >>> http://www.8774e4voip.com <http://www.8774e4voip.com/>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Saysan Wrote-
> >>> http://www.microsoft.com/responsepoint/default.mspx
> >>>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Alex Balashov
> >> Evariste Systems
> >> Web    : http://www.evaristesys.com/
> >> Tel    : +1-678-954-0670
> >> Direct : +1-678-954-0671
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> > Alex Balashov
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> > --
> > Aleks Clark
> > 941-961-9713
> > http://built-it.net
> >
>
> --
> Alex Balashov
> Evariste Systems
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