AW: AW: [asterisk-biz] OEM IAX2 Softphone is available

Zoa zoachien at securax.org
Mon Mar 12 14:10:06 MST 2007 

True if its not mentioned in the sources. (I didn't ask for them so 
don't know).
IAXclient has several copyright owners, Digium and Steve Kann are a few 
of them.

Zoa

Peter Bowyer wrote:
> No idea - IANAL. Nor are the authors of iaxclient, I expect - it's up
> to them what they want to do about it, though.
>
> The LGPL doesn't require the end product to be open source, but it
> does require as a minimum a declaration that portions of the binary
> distribution of the product are covered by the LGPL, Since these
> people are providing copies of their source code with no inidcation
> what the license is, I'm sure there are other things they're
> contravening as well....
>
> Peter
>
> On 12/03/07, Paul <ast2005 at 9ux.com> wrote:
>> You could do that. How is compliance achieved for the binaries that were
>> already distributed? They can't be recalled so I guess the vendor has to
>> make those versions open source in order to comply with LPGL.
>>
>> Peter Bowyer wrote:
>>
>> > No comment from the vendor.... I guess my next course of action is to
>> > report a violation of the LGPL to the copyright owner of iaxclient?
>> >
>> > Peter
>> >
>> > On 10/03/07, Peter Bowyer <peter at bowyer.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Perhaps Roland could clarify this. The product certainly does include
>> >> Qt and iaxclient. I received a copy of the yakaphone source code,
>> >> which came with no license information at all. Hard to work out what
>> >> my rights and obligations are.
>> >>
>> >> Since the binary distribution, which is a single Windows executable,
>> >> incorporates iaxclient, I believe it should comply with section 6 of
>> >> the LGPL.
>> >>
>> >> I think the moral here is that just saying something is Open Source
>> >> doesn't make it so. If you're going to build on other peoples' Open
>> >> Source efforts, you need to respect the license, and probably get 
>> your
>> >> own license written by someone who understands the subject area.
>> >>
>> >> Peter
>> >>
>> >> On 10/03/07, Zoa <zoachien at securax.org> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Just to be clear, it is not a problem that its not open source
>> >> compliant
>> >> > (we don't even supply sources to our softphone), he only has to
>> >> release
>> >> > iaxclient in LGPL to be ok.
>> >> > (Although if they are using Qt and are using a free version, it's a
>> >> > violation of the Qt license).
>> >> >
>> >> > Cheers,
>> >> >
>> >> > Zoa.
>> >> >
>> >> > Zoa wrote:
>> >> > > I would say: the source is available, but its not open source.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > From http://www.opensource.org/docs/definition.php :
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >      6. No Discrimination Against Fields of Endeavor
>> >> > >
>> >> > > The license must not restrict anyone from making use of the
>> >> program in
>> >> > > a specific field of endeavor. For example, it may not restrict 
>> the
>> >> > > program from being used in a business, or from being used for
>> >> genetic
>> >> > > research.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >      3. Derived Works
>> >> > >
>> >> > > The license must allow modifications and derived works, and must
>> >> allow
>> >> > > them to be distributed under the same terms as the license of the
>> >> > > original software.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >    /*Rationale:* The mere ability to read source isn't enough to
>> >> > >    support independent peer review and rapid evolutionary 
>> selection.
>> >> > >    For rapid evolution to happen, people need to be able to
>> >> experiment
>> >> > >    with and redistribute modifications.
>> >> > >    /
>> >> > >
>> >> > >    /
>> >> > >    /
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Roland Ndaka Fru wrote:
>> >> > >> ...You can't change it for COMMERCIAL use without permission...
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> >> > >> Von: asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com
>> >> > >> [mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com] Im Auftrag von 
>> Zoa
>> >> > >> Gesendet: 10 March 2007 15:43
>> >> > >> An: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
>> >> > >> Betreff: Re: AW: [asterisk-biz] OEM IAX2 Softphone is available
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Its "open source" but you can't change it without permission...
>> >> weird.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Roland Ndaka Fru wrote:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>> Hello,
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> You can request the source code using the contact form on the
>> >> webpage.
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> Grretz,
>> >> > >>> Roland.
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> >> > >>> Von: asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com
>> >> > >>> [mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com] Im Auftrag von
>> >> Peter
>> >> > >>> Bowyer
>> >> > >>> Gesendet: 10 March 2007 09:46
>> >> > >>> An: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
>> >> > >>> Betreff: Re: [asterisk-biz] OEM IAX2 Softphone is available
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> In what way is the software Open Source? I couldn't find
>> >> anywhere on
>> >> > >>> your website to download the souce code, and the license 
>> agreement
>> >> > >>> isn't of any recognised OSS form.
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> Does the product use any OSS components?
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> Peter
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> On 08/03/07, Roland Ndaka Fru <pedros09 at ndaka.com> wrote:
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>>> Hello Steve & all Asteriskis,
>> >> > >>>>
>> >> > >>>> You can check out the YakaPhone and its OEM derivatives at
>> >> > >>>> www.yakasoftware.com. It is IAX/IAX2, simple, open and you can
>> >> use it
>> >> > >>>>
>> >> > >> with
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>>> any server to see if it fits your stability requirements.
>> >> > >>>>
>> >> > >>>> Regards,
>> >> > >>>> Roland.
>> >> > >>>>
>> >> > >>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> >> > >>>> Von: asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com
>> >> > >>>> [mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com] Im Auftrag von
>> >> Steve
>> >> > >>>>
>> >> > >> Totaro
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>>> Gesendet: 08 March 2007 21:08
>> >> > >>>> An: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
>> >> > >>>> Betreff: RE: [asterisk-biz] OEM IAX2 Softphone is available
>> >> > >>>>
>> >> > >>>>
>> >> > >>>>
>> >> > >>>>
>> >> > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >> > >>>>> From: asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com
>> >> [mailto:asterisk-biz-
>> >> > >>>>> bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Mohsen Basirat
>> >> > >>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 2:33 PM
>> >> > >>>>> To: asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com
>> >> > >>>>> Subject: [asterisk-biz] OEM IAX2 Softphone is available
>> >> > >>>>>
>> >> > >>>>> Dear all
>> >> > >>>>> if you are interested in IAX2 OEM softphone we can
>> >> > >>>>> provide is for you with your logo and your brand name
>> >> > >>>>>
>> >> > >>>>> Regards
>> >> > >>>>> Mohsen Basirat
>> >> > >>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>
>> >> > >>>> Can you provide a demo of some sort?  Most softphones I have
>> >> seen are
>> >> > >>>> unstable, especially IAX2 softphones.
>> >> > >>>>
>> >> > >>>> Thanks,
>> >> > >>>> Steve
>> >> > >>>>
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>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>
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>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Peter Bowyer
>> >> Email: peter at bowyer.org
>> >>
>> >
>> >
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