[asterisk-biz] Amp'd Going the Way of Sun Rocket

[John Scully]

We use "digital Phone Service" and "IP-PBX" or "Digital PBX".  We
specifically do not call it "VoIP" or "Internet Phone Service" to most
customers.

After all, everyone knows that "digital" is better than "analog".

Since "Hybrid Key System" is a well known industry term for a system with
digital phones but still using direct trunk selection, "Hybrid Digital Phone
System" might be a good term.

As to the sunrocket demise, it has actually been good for us so far, since a
lot of large sunrocket agents contacted us for private label service.  I
talked to one guy who had almost $10K in commissions about to pay out.

John Scully
www.isupportisp.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Al Bochter" <Al.Bochter at bochterservices.com>
To: "Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion"
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Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 12:01 AM
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Amp'd Going the Way of Sun Rocket


>
> John Scully
>
> I agree with you.
>
> When SunRocket went out we had 3 customers cancel there VOIP PBX installs
bids do to the term VOIP
>
> And I can't or my T1-PRI providers can talk them back into the having the
bids down
>
> I was told by the customers that they don't want to loss money do to VOIP
service going under
> Never mind that we were going to use PRI's not VOIP Providers
>
> That is what I was talking about the term "VOIP" is getting pulled down
with the top dog providers going
> under like SunRocket and Vonage getting sued and any other BAD things that
may hit the newsstand
> with the term "VOIP" in it.
>
> Now try to tell a customer that is going to spend $10,000 to $150,000 on a
"VOIP PBX SYSTEM" that
> the system does not need to use "VOIP" Provides for its telcom service.
>
> That is way we don't use the term "VOIP PBX" anymore it is now a "HYBRID
PHONE SYSTEM"
> We are working on changing all of our ads to state "HYBRID PHONE SYSTEMS"
>
> That is what Asterisk is a "Hybrid System" keep in mind everyone POTS,
FXO, PRI, ETC. are not "VOIP".
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Al Bochter
> http://www.BochterServices.com
>
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>
> Nicky Smith wrote:
>
> >Well stated John.
> >I think this discussion can end now. I am exhaused just reading it.
> >
> >Nicky Smith
> >www.carolinanet.com
> >a profitable ISP/Data Center
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com On Behalf Of John Scully
> >Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 9:09 PM
> >To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
> >Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Amp'd Going the Way of Sun Rocket
> >
> >Well guys, I hate to tell you this, but we are running several hundred
> >profitable VoIP companies.  profitable for us, profitable for our
clients,
> >and the only reason they are able to sell service is that they can save
> >their customers money.
> >
> >Vonage lost hundreds of millions by running a ton of stupid TV ads, plus
> >every other possible form of direct to end user advertising.  They spent
> >$500 in advertising for every sub they signed. Bad business model
Sunrocket
> >sold service below cost. Bad business model.
> >
> >Saying that that voip is not a real product is like saying that selling
> >power and gas is not real because of enron.
> >
> >There are always well funded, public companies burning cash as fast as
they
> >can in every new tech area.  They just make it damn difficult for real
> >businessmen.
> >
> >John Scully
> >www.isupportisp.com
> >
> >
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