[asterisk-biz] Amp'd Going the Way of Sun Rocket
John Scully
jscully at isipi.com
Wed Jul 25 20:08:47 CDT 2007
Well guys, I hate to tell you this, but we are running several hundred
profitable VoIP companies. profitable for us, profitable for our clients,
and the only reason they are able to sell service is that they can save
their customers money.
Vonage lost hundreds of millions by running a ton of stupid TV ads, plus
every other possible form of direct to end user advertising. They spent
$500 in advertising for every sub they signed. Bad business model
Sunrocket sold service below cost. Bad business model.
Saying that that voip is not a real product is like saying that selling
power and gas is not real because of enron.
There are always well funded, public companies burning cash as fast as they
can in every new tech area. They just make it damn difficult for real
businessmen.
John Scully
www.isupportisp.com
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Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Amp'd Going the Way of Sun Rocket
>
> Bah. VoIP is hardly dead unless you're stuck in the US. There, it's
> been legislated out of existence by telecoms that could no longer
> compete. And where they've failed in legislation, they've succeeded in
> dubious lawsuits.
>
> But then... that's why VoIP adoption in the US is screamingly low
> compared to the rest of the world. France. Germany. The UK. Even Latvia
> has higher VoIP adoption rates.
>
> Although I will admit that the word itself just sounds silly.
>
>
> N.
>
>
> Business Communications Net wrote:
>> I am glad that the work, which was a trigger word, VOiP is finally
>> dead, America is finally figuring out there is no real saving with the
>> word VOiP, traditional phone service is the only way to go, if any one
>> needs a t-1 for there phone system, let me know. i can service any
>> where in the united states.
>>
>> Jack Earl
>> 1 800 559 1959 Office
>> 1 866 568 9648 Fax
>> 1 412 589 5389 Cell
>>
>> Http://www.BusinessCommunicationsNet.com
>> Http://www.jackearl.com
>>
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Amp'd Going the Way of Sun Rocket
>> From: Al Bochter <Al.Bochter at bochterservices.com>
>> Date: Wed, July 25, 2007 1:46 pm
>> To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
>> <asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com>
>>
>> The name "VOIP" has lost ground :(
>> And it has hit the press.....
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Al Bochter
>> http://www.BochterServices.com <http://www.BochterServices.com>
>>
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>>
>> Matthew Rubenstein wrote:
>>
>> > Yes, I meant Verizon's suits. Thanks for the correction.
>> >
>> >
>> >On Tue, 2007-07-24 at 23:12 -0400, Anthony Cennami wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>Do you mean Verizon's suits? Both of these shakeups and/or
>> shutdowns
>> >>were the direct result of Verizon suits or contracts....
>> >>
>> >>On 7/24/07, Matthew Rubenstein <email at mattruby.com
>> <https://email.secureserver.net/pcompose.php#Compose>> wrote:
>> >> It now looks like the "independent telcos" are in a
>> >> shakeout. And
>> >> judging from general news and the quality of services offered
>> >> on this
>> >> list, the other indies aren't ready to handle the extra
>> >> business.
>> >>
>> >> How much of these windups are the result of AT&T's
>> >> successful suits
>> >> against Vonage, even though Vonage itself has (so far)
>> >> survived? Has it
>> >> spooked the investors away from the risky startups? How far
>> >> will it go?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, 2007-07-24 at 22:39 -0400, Steve Totaro wrote:
>> >> > http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/07/24/ap3948212.html
>> <http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/07/24/ap3948212.html>
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks,
>> >> > Steve Totaro
>> >> >
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