[asterisk-biz] Better ITSP Bureau
Elliot Otchet
elliot.otchet at callingcircles.com
Fri Jul 13 11:52:03 CDT 2007
I have to agree with Matthew (and others) on the need to objectively
quantify complaints against an ITSP, but I think the whole issue is
speaking to a larger issue: the need to objectively quantify VoIP
performance with concrete metrics under real world conditions. As many
on this list may know, the Baby Bells (not such babies anymore) are
rightfully regulated in US jurisdictions by government run agencies
(e.g. Public Service Commission) who require and demand accurate
performance statistics and reliability.
Generally PSCs receive reports and set requirements for things like
uptime in power failures, response times to critical outages, and in
some states - even the time customers are on hold!. I'm not calling for
regulations from the government, but I do think it's high time that we
start publishing - unbiased - statistics about which configurations work
well and most importantly - which configurations don't (configurations
can include ITSPs/Hardware/Oses/etc.)
If others are interested and capable, might I suggest we consider
starting a project within the Asterisk community to capture such
performance metrics and offer users the ability to publish them?
Food for thought. Contact me off list if you're interested this idea.
Best regards,
Elliot
-----Original Message-----
From: asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Matthew
Rubenstein
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 12:31 PM
To: W. Glenn Campbell
Cc: Asterisk -Biz
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Better ITSP Bureau
There's a world of distance between "100% trustworthy", and the
kind of
dangerously misleading info such a casual approach to public reviews can
be. And considering the personalities in this community which that
directory would serve, I would be surprised if someone unsatisfied with
their public reviews wouldn't seek reprisal against the publisher of the
reviews site, as well as the (less identified/reachable) reviewers
themselves. Like suing the publisher, or otherwise trashing them. I
wouldn't want the responsibility. Not at this stage of immaturity of
this community, inadequacy of usable trust networks, and either
traditions or laws protecting people from charges of slander/libel in
this kind of publication.
On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 12:10 -0400, W. Glenn Campbell wrote:
> I had added this to a "hobby" site of mine a while back (
> http://www.itspratings.com ), but never really did anything with it.
May be
> time to revive it? I agree that reviews/ratings aren't 100%
trustworthy,
> but it's a pretty good starting point for those shopping around. Do
you
> really believe all the reviews on Amazon.com ;)
>
> As I said, the list is pretty bare, but you are more than welcome to
add to
> it. Shoot me an email if you want an provider added to the list.
Leave a
> review on the site if you like.
>
>
>
>
>
> W. Glenn Campbell
> wcampbell at netstarsolutions.com
> NetStar Solutions, LLC.
> http://www.netstarsolutions.com
> Phone: (270) 554-6700
> Fax: (502) 415-7112
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com
> [mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Matthew
> Rubenstein
> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 10:54 AM
> To: Charles Vance
> Cc: Asterisk -Biz
> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Better ITSP Bureau
>
> Actually, Wikipedia works pretty well, because its access is so
open
> to
> so many people, and there is indeed a relatively trustworthy publisher
> which implements fairly content-neutral policies to prevent most
common
> abuses. Smaller communities with the same model produce a much less
> accurate description of their subject, like the Conservopedia.
>
> But this directory will suffer from all the worst flaws of those
> models. While representing itself as a tool in the critical path of
the
> most fundamental voice network business decisions. Sounds like a
> trainwreck right in the station.
>
>
> On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 10:46 -0400, Charles Vance wrote:
> > tut tut. The community is trustworthy. Afterall, Wickopedia works
> > doesn't it?
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Matthew Rubenstein
> > To: Al Bochter
> > Cc: Asterisk -Biz
> > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 10:29 AM
> > Subject: [asterisk-biz] Better ITSP Bureau (was: Re: Fed up
> > with my ITSP)
> >
> >
> > I can't wait to see this list's typical professionalism,
> > dispassionate
> > critiques, sense of proportion, fair play among competitors
> > and aversion
> > to mere gossip and personal attacks be published in a
central
> > database
> > that the general public will use to do business with so many
> > companies
> > large and small.
> >
> > I can't wait, because it doesn't exist.
> >
> > Unless this directory has some kind of trust network, or
other
> > accountability (there is none other on the Internet), then
it
> > will be
> > routinely abused to game it. It will be at best a waste of
> > time, and at
> > worst libel/slander
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 10:10 -0400, Al Bochter wrote:
> > > To everyone on the list
> > >
> > > Please email me off the list any BAD ITSP, Voip Providers,
> > And other
> > > Voip things you had problems with.
> > > Make SURE you provide details of what that problem you
had.
> > >
> > > Let me know about the good ones too.
> > >
> > > I am going to start a list and post the details about the
> > providers.
> > > We need to give the good ones more business and bad ones
> > less
> > > VOIP is getting a bad name do to all this bull**** and we
> > need to stop
> > > it.
> > >
> > > I don't have a site name in mind but I will have this done
> > A.S.A.P.
> > > and I will post the URL to the list.
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > Al Bochter
> > > http://www.BochterServices.com
> > >
> > >
> >
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> > >
> > >
> > > Elliot Otchet wrote:
> > > > Here Here!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com
> > > > [mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf
> > Of Dovid
> > > > Bender
> > > > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 9:16 AM
> > > > To: asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com
> > > > Subject: [asterisk-biz] Fed up with my ITSP
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi List,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I am fed up with one of the ITSP's. That I used to use
(I
> > don't use
> > > > them any more but still have a few DID's by them). Back
in
> > the day
> > > > they were good but now they seem to be down every so
> > often. When you
> > > > call tech support they say to please wait on hold and
2-3
> > minutes
> > > > later you hear a good bye and the phone call ends. Is
> > there any site
> > > > to rate ITSP's ? I think people should know for the
future
> > who is
> > > > good and who is not. If there is no site I am willing to
> > host it if
> > > > some one wants to write the code.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dovid
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
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