[asterisk-biz] Re: OT: Gore Still Ahead
Hunt, Bill
bill.hunt at dirigosoft.com
Fri Oct 6 14:33:08 MST 2006
Seek help... SOON! (You might start by cracking open a history book).
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If you slightly understand Kennedy's passing and anything involving
guns. money and power you will notice drugs is always involved.
FYI , CIA provisioned the afghans with necessary help to grow heroin etc
in afghan to sell in russia when afghan - Russia conflict where part of
this world.. in fact i read somewhere that as much as 15% of all russian
soldiers where users at one point.
but hey let your fingers to the walking..
Ben laden and cia where working closely. once they realized they
financed billions for terrorism they drew back and well we know the
rest.
Now when theres a nice deal between (FOX and BUS..) you know the drug
controls will be loosened. actualy waht is americas response to drug
lords passing stuff via borders and shooting on border patrols with 50
MM 's and shit ? nothing.. its so easy to put force in this matter with
all the equipment and firepower usa has.. there's abvousely economical
and political reasons for not talking action..
the 3 strikes your out system is the best thing since sliced bread and
if i was pres.. id apply every where and make it 2 strikes for several
high crime places..
the power is in the defense these days and prosecutors have no power
whatsover over the $$$ the crooks have..
only 2 good pres i can think of was kennedy for not accepting to attack
cuba for the cia wich he died for and clinton wich refusing several
aspects got a shameless act on him to remove from whitehouse..
latest one is actualy using 60% of hitlers strategics in terms of power
then anyother .. REF: the media control tactics used b y several big
companied to sell theyre producsts , and the way hitler used destroying
is own turf to create ampathy to declaring war..
Matthew Rubenstein wrote:
> On Thu, 2006-10-05 at 19:53 -0400, C F wrote:
>
>> On 10/5/06, Matthew Rubenstein <email at mattruby.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 2006-10-05 at 12:02 -0500, James wrote:
>>>
>>>> OK,
>>>>
>>>> Send your kid to public school.
>>>> If he survives the random shootings and the drugs,
>>>>
>>> Practically everyone survives public school without any
shootings. The
>>> drugs are even worse in private schools (I can attest), as can be
the
>>> violence (ditto). Home schooling can create kids with even worse
>>> antisocial problems.
>>>
>> I went to private school all my life, I have never seen what drugs
>> looks like in real life (not even outside school), and yes I grew up
>> in Brooklyn. I guess the private school you went to is worse than the
>> public school system.
>> I do agree though on the home schooling.
>>
>
> I went to private school in the 1980s in the richest zipcode in
the USA
> (2 miles outside NYC). Drugs everywhere. I also went to Andover, Bush
> Jr's highschool: drugs anywhere. And I live in Brooklyn, which has had
> so much drug use that it takes willful shelter to never see it (which
is
> available in some private schools). Avoiding all contact with drugs is
> mainly dependent on one's parents, with which I'm sure we both agree.
>
>
>
>>>> then you can send him to
>>>> the District of Columbia to be an aid.
>>>> There he can be influenced by powereful men (and women) to do some
really
>>>> neat things.
>>>>
>>> That is clearly the problem. The power of politicians to
escape
>>> responsibility exactly when they must be *more* responsible than the
>>> general public. The government as a whole is infected: cops can kill
>>> someone without justification and just get fired, when anyone else
would
>>> go to jail. America has reversed our fundamental philosophy of
>>> distrusting the government, running it so wrongdoers are more easily
>>> caught, into creating a privileged class (which is increasingly
>>> hereditary, in dynasties).
>>>
>> Couldn't agree more with you on this, it's a problem with any type of
>> government;
>>
>> "The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation
>> with the average voter."
>>
>> ~ Winston Churchill
>>
>> "Democracy is the worst form of government except for all those
others
>> that have been tried."
>>
>> ~ Winston Churchill
>>
>
> There we go, agreeing again.
>
>
>
>>>> He can live in a city where violent crime is high and civilians
can't buy a
>>>> handgun to protect themselves.
>>>>
>>> Or in the country where people shoot each other because they
can get
>>> away with it. NYC was much less safe when we could easily buy
handguns.
>>> The violent crime rates are usually higher where guns are easier to
get.
>>> More urban states are more or less in the middle, so clearly there's
>>> another controlling factor than whether a target lives in a city or
not.
>>>
>> It is still very easy to get a handgun in the City, it's just very
>> hard to hide it. The NYPD at the moment has more intelligence on the
>> street than the CIA has about OBL. They are one of the most
>> sophisticated intelligence agency that exists, except that it gathers
>> intelligence only for street crimes and not for politics, or
military.
>> Their crime stats program doesn't allow for either a cop to get
>> corrupted in a neighborhood, or for the crime to jump just in one
>> place.
>>
>
> No, it's not easy. Believe me, my family has had handguns and
other
> guns for generations, often defending family businesses in bad areas
of
> NYC (Manhattan, Brooklyn, the Bronx). I've known of people getting
> illegal guns to buttress their paranoia through the decades. And it's
> much harder now to get a gun in NYC. So much harder that most of them
> come from other states, but still fewer come in.
>
> If you're using cop corruption as a measure of how tight is NYPD
intel,
> then you should at least read the NY Post, though Google can help,
too:
> http://www.google.com/search?q=%22corrupt%20cops%22%20nyc%20-movie%
> 20-film . Much tighter, of course, is the "Blue Wall" that covers up
cop
> corruption. And then there's the stats that cover up NYC crime rates,
> converting violent crimes to less enraging stats. And then there's the
> crimes by cops who intimidate people into keeping their crimes in the
> neighborhoods cops don't protect, so they don't get reported. Most of
> the crime drop is the result of social services since the late 1960s
> that have reduced the numbers of desperate people who do crime. But I
> don't expect you believe that, because it shows how abortions, foster
> care, violence education, job training, and other engagement of poor
> people by government people can make everyone's lives better, without
> using a gun to get there. AFAICT, we don't agree that much.
>
>
>
>>>> While he is learing how to avoid being raped or mugged, he can
dodge the
>>>> terrorist plane crashings.
>>>>
>>> I don't think a single incident has any statistical
significance. I
>>> don't think the 9/11/2001 planebombings indicate anything about what
>>> it's like to live in a city, or have anything to do with any of
this.
>>> Except maybe a reflection of how you hate NYC, and find an excuse to
say
>>> those planebombings are "just another bad thing that happens in
NYC". As
>>> a New Yorker, I think that sucks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Responsibility starts at home, with the parents. Would you really
want to
>>>> send your child out to play on the "Hill"?
>>>> Most aids come from affluent households with educated parents.
>>>> I would guess that there's not a one of them that would have
morgatged thier
>>>> house and loand Foley the money for a year, but they freely hand
over their
>>>> children...
>>>>
>>> The bigger point being made about Foley's child molesting is
how it was
>>> being covered up by his fellow Republicans. How are the kid's
parents to
>>> blame for that? Even if what the abused page's sponsoring Rep,
Rodney
>>> Alexander (R-LA), said was true, that the kid's parents, when
>>> "informed", said they didn't want to make a big deal over it, that
>>> doesn't excuse the rest of those Republicans from ignoring their
>>> responsibility to protect the rest of the pages.
>>>
>>> It's hard to blame most parents for trusting that their kids
won't be
>>> sexually abused by letting them work for Congressmembers. Until now.
>>> Which is some of the extreme damage done to our country by Foley and
his
>>> coverup conspiracy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Foley screwed up and I think the latest remarks about alcoholism
and being
>>>> molested as a child are copouts.
>>>>
>>> That's clear to us individuals watching closely, but already
yesterday
>>> I heard a 5-second radio news bulletin that mentioned Foley as a
child
>>> molesting Congressman, contextualized with "Foley claims he was
abused
>>> as a child by a clergyman". Millions of people are hearing this
story
>>> peripherally to their real lives, boiled down to those two details.
>>> Foley deliberately threw that out there to define himself as "the
>>> molested Congressman" rather than "the molester Congressman". What a
>>> scumbag. And if others in his coverup conspiracy planned that media
spin
>>> with him, they should burn, too.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Yes, it is time to clean house. Five year term limits for a couple
of
>>>> generations will do more to cure these problems than any arguments
about
>>>> Republicans or Democrats.
>>>>
>>> I don't think that term limits do nearly as much as
reporting
>>> politicians' records to voters. When incumbents are found
manipulating
>>> the electoral process, that is a reason for term limits. But when
their
>>> party is conspiring to cover up their lawbreaking, their
exploitation of
>>> children in the government's care, then term limits mean nothing.
Unless
>>> you mean forced turnover of a party's majority, which is clearly
>>> antidemocratic, though perhaps consistently republican (small
letters
>>> intended). The real reform is to outlaw parties as illegal
conspiracies,
>>> which they of course always are, even when they're not conspiring to
>>> protect child molesters. Maybe just outlaw exclusive party
membership,
>>> but then criminal conspirators will game that system.
>>>
>>> I say we start by throwing out the party which has
specifically proven
>>> it is covers up child molestation by its members. Republicans were
>>> getting thrown out anyway - it's a gift to them that they can blame
>>> Foley for "losing Congress", rather than everything else people are
>>> holding against them this year.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> James Taylor
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Jay R. Ashworth" <jra at baylink.com>
>>>> To: <email at mattruby.com>; "Commercial and Business-Oriented
Asterisk
>>>> Discussion" <asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 10:04 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Re: OT: Gore Still Ahead
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Oct 05, 2006 at 12:03:28AM -0400, Matthew Rubenstein
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you looking for ways to excuse the child molesting Foley did
just
>>>>>> because he continued carrying on after the boys were legally men?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Let's be *perfectly clear* here, shall we?
>>>>>
>>>>> "Talking dirty" to them does not constitute "child molestation"
under
>>>>> any construction of anyone's law that I'm aware of.
>>>>>
>>>>> And 16 isn't exactly a child, either.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> What kind of depraved child molester protector are you? Other
than
>>>>>> "Republican" - that much is so obvious that it's redundant. Now
tell us
>>>>>> that I shouldn't go so hard on Foley, because it's not his fault
that
>>>>>> god made him gay.
>>>>>>
>>>>> You can go as hard on Foley as you like. I hope he takes the
whole,
>>>>> sordid, hypocritical Republican establishment down with him. just
lets
>>>>> be hard on him for the right reasons: he owed a duty to his
>>>>> constituency not to get embroiled in a scandal, and he owed a duty
to
>>>>> those pages *specifically*, because he was or had been in a
position of
>>>>> direct power and control over them. He failed in those duties.
>>>>>
>>>>> Would this have been less likely to have happened had he been out
about
>>>>> his preference? (For men, I mean, not for boys.) Yeah, probably.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it society's fault that he felt he needed to be even partially
in
>>>>> the closet? Yes?
>>>>>
>>>>> Am *I* gay? No.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do I want people to confuse me for Donald Rumsfeld? Not even on
your
>>>>> birthday. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> You can tell the repubs apart from the dems because, by and large,
the
>>>>> dems utilise the tools of rational argument, and are calm and
cool, and
>>>>> the repubs appeal to emotion, fear, and (dare we say this) terror.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not all of either side, certainly, but a statistically significant
>>>>> majority.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alas, demagoguery works better with the electorate than pedagogy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> -- jra
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jay R. Ashworth
>>>>> jra at baylink.com
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>>>>> "That's women for you; you divorce them, and 10 years later,
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