OT: Business Politics (was: Re: Did I join the wrong newgroup? (was Re: [asterisk-biz] Re: OT: Gore Still Ahead))

[Matthew Rubenstein]

	I retitled the subthread "OT" as in OFFTOPIC for easy filtering.

	Meanwhile, consider that every American business using Asterisk will
have to consider many implications of a government that can require
unwarranted wiretaps, secret evidence and courts, while a single,
unrelentingly partisan party controls the entire government. And given
this government's disrespect for international boundaries, alliances,
laws and lives, every other business using Asterisk has to consider
that, too.


On Sun, 2006-10-01 at 14:23 -0400, Andrew Joakimsen wrote:
> And like it or not "politics" and "business" have a very close relationship.
> 
> On 9/28/06, toto at ewoes.com <toto at ewoes.com> wrote:
> > I thought this group is about Asterisk Business.
> >
> >
> >
> > >Just for the record, and what are YOU doing now?
> > >And what is this:
> > >http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/1/25/165244.shtml
> > >
> > >
> > >On 9/28/06, C. Savinovich <c.savinovich at itntelecom.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>    Let me add to this interesting thread, that it is in the interest of
> > > the present administration to discredit anything and anyone from the
> > > Clinton administration... the reason is because the last thing they want
> > > is to have the Clintons back in the White House... be aware of smearing
> > > campaigns circulating on the Internet and the media nowadays...
> > >
> > > CS
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 10:39:41AM -0400, C F wrote:
> > > >>>>                                                    Since the whole
> > > >>>> paragraph only speaks about the Intenet in that one sentence (I took
> > > >>>> the initiative.....), then it's NOT out of context to say that he
> > > >>>> claimed he invented the Internet.
> > > >>> Again, no, it's not out of context.  It's merely incorrect.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> If one chooses to interpret Gore's usage of "Internet" to mean "the
> > > >>> commercial Internet that we have today", then yes, the initiatives he
> > > >>> worked on, including NREN, probably had a lot to do with it.
> > > >> OK, I'm listening, since this was on TV in English, can you explain
> > > >> what other meaning Internet has in the English language?
> > > >>
> > > >> This is my source, which disagrees with your English interpretation
> > > >> for the word Internet:
> > > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet
> > > >
> > > > "The Internet is the largest equivalence class in the reflexive
> > > > transitive symmetric closure of the relationship "can be reached by an
> > > > IP packet from".
> > > > --Seth Breidbart
> > > >
> > > > But for our purposes here, The Internet is a large commercial network
> > > > service utility to which you can purchase access from any number of
> > > > competing vendors, which can carry any traffic, whether commercial or
> > > > not, and which has a sufficiently large number of service providers (and
> > > > potential clients) attached to it to make it a worthwhile thing to spend
> > > > your money connecting to.  (Metcalfe's Law.)
> > > >
> > > > That's not what it looked like exactly 10 years ago, and one of the
> > > > major contributors to that was Gore, and the programs he mentions
> > > > championing.
> > > >
> > > > Asterisk wouldn't exist in anything like it's current form had the
> > > > Internet not Gone Commercial, since one of its major selling points is
> > > > it's ability to connect with all the commercial VoIP providers we see
> > > > on -biz... who wouldn't have a network to get your packets to them
> > > > otherwise.
> > > >
> > > > Is he solely responsible?  No.  Did he have lots of help?  Yes.
> > > >
> > > > Is he correct to use the phrase "create the Internet" to imply "as we
> > > > know it today"?  Clearly, there's a disagreement here.  But let's not
> > > > fight that battle over the definition of "is", 'k?
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > -- jra
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