[asterisk-biz] ABP Website Address
Kurt Huey
kurt at abptech.com
Wed Feb 1 16:25:14 MST 2006
The website to find Kurt at ABP International, Inc. is:
www.abptech.com
kurt at abptech.com
At ABP your success is our passion!
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Today's Topics:
1. RE: Is ISP Blocking VoIP (Rusty Shackleford)
2. RE: RE:Kurt @ ABP (Michael S. White)
3. Re: Is ISP Blocking VoIP (Jean-Michel Hiver)
4. Re: Is ISP Blocking VoIP (Matt Riddell (IT))
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:52:22 -0800
From: "Rusty Shackleford" <john97 at flatline.com>
Subject: RE: [asterisk-biz] Is ISP Blocking VoIP
To: "'Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion'"
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com
> [mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of
> Mark Phillips
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 2:13 PM
> To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Is ISP Blocking VoIP
>
>
> Or is it?
>
> Assuming that the ITSP is SIP based why not move the port
> from 5060 to
> something else?
>
> Granted they might be looking at trhe flavour of the packets
> but perhaps
> they are not.
>
> Of one has to supply the customer with an ATA why not make it
> an IAX one?
Again....
These schemes might be effective, temporarily, but playing cat and mouse
with ports and the ISPs' attempts to dick with traffic is not a
practical business model.
Honestly, this behavior on the part of the ISP's doesn't surprise me in
the least. Conside those cases where the ISP is also selling dialtone.
VOIP traffic crossing their network, and NOT belonging to them, is
competition. Given that the major communications companies have a
history of aggressively protecting their revenues, and given that the
current regulatory climate has been bought and paid for by those
companies, it doesn't surprise me at all.
<tin_foil_hat=on>
This is but an early skirmish in the war for the Internet, folks.
Video-on-demand may well be the next round. That "holy grail" of the
media giants is just around the corner, and don't think for a minute
that your cable company/ISP will stand idly by and watch you order your
movies from "moviesnow.blockbuster.com" if they can get away with
dicking with the feed and offering you "a more reliable" alternative.
<tin_foil_hat=off>
- Rusty
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:29:25 -0500
From: "Michael S. White" <mwhite at e4strategies.com>
Subject: RE: [asterisk-biz] RE:Kurt @ ABP
To: <kurt at abptech.com>, "'Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk
Discussion'" <asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com>
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We use Kurt @ ABP; they have more than earned our repeat business!
A+
Michael S. White
President/ ABP Kool Aid Drinker
.e4
335W South Airport Road
Traverse City, MI 49686
Voice: 231.946.4162
Fax: 231.932.9510
info at e4strategies.com
http://www.e4strategies.com
P.S. Welcome to "the" list Kurt
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Good Day to all.
My name is Kurt Huey, I am a Channel Manager for ABP, Incorporated here in
Dallas Texas.
ABP Technology is a division of ABP International, Inc. and specializes in
the distribution of high-end technology products in the fields of
Information Technology and Telecommunications. ABP Technology concentrates
on :
- Voice over IP solutions based on Open Standards for converged data and
voice communications.
- Ultra Secure Remote Management and Monitoring of IT and Communications
Infrastructure.
ABP is committed to VoIP over Open Standards and works with vendors that
support interoperable solutions in a multi vendor environment. ABP
represents world class companies from the US and around the world and
markets products in the US and the rest of the Americas to service
providers, carriers and the enterprise market through specialized channel
partners.
I am looking for VAR (Value Added Resellers) who have the same level of
commitment we do to VoIP and whose success we can enhance.
We do not sell to the end-user but through our VAR's. We carry Snom and
Cisco/Linksys phones, Epygi & Allworx IPBX's. We also carry Eicon,
AudioCodes and the Hitachi WiFi phone.
If you are looking for these products we can direct you to one of our VAR's,
so please call.
972.831.1600 ext: 108
Thank you!
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1. Re: Rant: Wannabe "carriers" please tell the truth orlive up
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2. New Linksys WIP300 802.11b/g WIFI - SIP V2.0 Handset
Shipping! (Cory Andrews)
3. Re: Rant: Wannabe "carriers" please tell the truth orlive up
to expectations. (alex at pilosoft.com)
4. Re: Rant: Wannabe "carriers" please tell the truth orlive up
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:35:37 -0500
From: Script Head <scripthead at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Rant: Wannabe "carriers" please tell the
truth orlive up to expectations.
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That's a good question. When I am talking about a Tier-1 I am assuming that
company that provides VoIP termination can accept a VoIP call and terminate
it directly to a Tier-1 TDM carrier like Level3.
On 2/1/06, Rusty Dekema <rdekema at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Please excuse my unfamiliarity with the industry, but what constitutes
> a "Tier 1" VoIP carrier? Are we talking RBOCs/CLECs only? Would (for
> example) Level3 count?
>
> Does the carrier have to terminate the calls via TDM directly from the
> customer-facing VoIP server? Can the carrier pass the calls over their
> own IP network to a different server before putting the call on a TDM
> circuit? (And etc...)
>
> I certainly understand the difference between a "good" and "crappy"
> VoIP outfit; I am just curious as to what exactly is required for a
> company to be considered a "Tier 1" VoIP carrier.
>
> -Rusty
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2/1/06, Script Head <scripthead at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I am in a process of doing exactly that. In fact, last weeks experiences
> > have driven me to talk directy to Tier-1 carriers.
> >
> > The sad part is, even at the point where I was pushing less than 1/2
> million
> > minutes per month, many carriers couldn't handle the traffic. It was
> always
> > something: lack of avaiable bandwith, crashing servers or codecs,
> > downtime... It seem that the majority of "carriers" aren't even prepared
> to
> > handle traffic like that.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 2/1/06, Alex Pui <alex.pui at act-labs.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Script Head,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I am not a "carrier", but I think the question would be, if you are
> buying
> > more volume than most of the "carrier" here, why would you deal with
> them?
> > Just trying to insult them that they are not "quality"provider. I think
> you
> > should deal with tier 1 carrier by yourself.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Or do I miss anything?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Alex
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> >
> > >
> > > From: asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com
> > [mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of
> > Script Head
> > > Sent: February 1, 2006 10:30 AM
> > > To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
> > > Subject: [asterisk-biz] Rant: Wannabe "carriers" please tell the truth
> > orlive up to expectations.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > If you're in the business of providing termination services (some at
> > incredibly low prices), please read this.
> > >
> > > I have dealt with many so called carriers over the last couple of
> months,
> > almost all of them are present on this list. I am always clear about my
> > calling patterns and expected volume. Everyone wants the minutes and
> always
> > say "oh we can take all you can send" and always lie about or
> underestimate
> > your capacity. When I send 50 or more channels, you choke. Some have
> choked
> > at 20 channels, some even less. You might have enough channels committed
> > form your "upstream provider" but you don't have enough bandwidth to
> accept
> > the calls and send them to your upstream. I am almost sure that the
> majority
> > didn't do any scalability testing.
> > >
> > > The points are:
> > >
> > > 1. If you're a reseller of a reseller with a 10+ domestic "carriers"
> > loaded in your LCR, you are not a quality provider.
> > > 2. If you do have Tier-1 upstreams, you shouldn't have a problem
> revealing
> > that information. If you have a problem doing that, you're using
> > bottom-of-the-barrel carriers.
> > > 3. If your entire infrastructure consits on a leased box on Cogent
> > bandwith "burstable to 100 mbit", you're not a qualitity provider.
> Nobody in
> > their right mind will let you burst from 1 mbit to 100 for $59.95 per
> month.
> > > 4. When someone asks you for a commitment of N number of channels, you
> > better damn have them or say straight out you can't do it.
> > >
> > > I think it should be also a normal practice to make iptraf avaiable to
> a
> > potential customer so he can test the amount of bandwidth (and burst)
> you
> > have available.
> > >
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Subject: [asterisk-biz] New Linksys WIP300 802.11b/g WIFI - SIP V2.0
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Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 16:49:05 -0500 (EST)
From: alex at pilosoft.com
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Rant: Wannabe "carriers" please tell the
truth orlive up to expectations.
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On Wed, 1 Feb 2006, Script Head wrote:
> That's a good question. When I am talking about a Tier-1 I am assuming
> that company that provides VoIP termination can accept a VoIP call and
> terminate it directly to a Tier-1 TDM carrier like Level3.
that'd be tier-2 ;)
tier1 is l3/xo/gx
tier2 are resellers
tier3 are ...well you know, usual suspects.
-alex
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Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:48:53 -0500
From: Paul <ast2005 at 9ux.com>
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Rant: Wannabe "carriers" please tell the
truth orlive up to expectations.
To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
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Have you asked voip providers like vonage or voicepulse to quote rates
for your volume?
Script Head wrote:
> That's a good question. When I am talking about a Tier-1 I am assuming
> that company that provides VoIP termination can accept a VoIP call and
> terminate it directly to a Tier-1 TDM carrier like Level3.
>
>
> On 2/1/06, *Rusty Dekema* <rdekema at gmail.com
> <mailto:rdekema at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Please excuse my unfamiliarity with the industry, but what constitutes
> a "Tier 1" VoIP carrier? Are we talking RBOCs/CLECs only? Would (for
> example) Level3 count?
>
> Does the carrier have to terminate the calls via TDM directly from
> the
> customer-facing VoIP server? Can the carrier pass the calls over their
> own IP network to a different server before putting the call on a TDM
> circuit? (And etc...)
>
> I certainly understand the difference between a "good" and "crappy"
> VoIP outfit; I am just curious as to what exactly is required for a
> company to be considered a "Tier 1" VoIP carrier.
>
> -Rusty
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2/1/06, Script Head < scripthead at gmail.com
> <mailto:scripthead at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > I am in a process of doing exactly that. In fact, last weeks
> experiences
> > have driven me to talk directy to Tier-1 carriers.
> >
> > The sad part is, even at the point where I was pushing less than
> 1/2 million
> > minutes per month, many carriers couldn't handle the traffic. It
> was always
> > something: lack of avaiable bandwith, crashing servers or codecs,
> > downtime... It seem that the majority of "carriers" aren't even
> prepared to
> > handle traffic like that.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 2/1/06, Alex Pui <alex.pui at act-labs.com
> <mailto:alex.pui at act-labs.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Script Head,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I am not a "carrier", but I think the question would be, if
> you are buying
> > more volume than most of the "carrier" here, why would you deal
> with them?
> > Just trying to insult them that they are not "quality"provider.
> I think you
> > should deal with tier 1 carrier by yourself.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Or do I miss anything?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Alex
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> >
> > >
> > > From: asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com
> <mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com>
> > [mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com
> <mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com>] On Behalf Of
> > Script Head
> > > Sent: February 1, 2006 10:30 AM
> > > To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
> > > Subject: [asterisk-biz] Rant: Wannabe "carriers" please tell
> the truth
> > orlive up to expectations.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > If you're in the business of providing termination services
> (some at
> > incredibly low prices), please read this.
> > >
> > > I have dealt with many so called carriers over the last couple
> of months,
> > almost all of them are present on this list. I am always clear
> about my
> > calling patterns and expected volume. Everyone wants the
> minutes and always
> > say "oh we can take all you can send" and always lie about or
> underestimate
> > your capacity. When I send 50 or more channels, you choke. Some
> have choked
> > at 20 channels, some even less. You might have enough channels
> committed
> > form your "upstream provider" but you don't have enough
> bandwidth to accept
> > the calls and send them to your upstream. I am almost sure that
> the majority
> > didn't do any scalability testing.
> > >
> > > The points are:
> > >
> > > 1. If you're a reseller of a reseller with a 10+ domestic
> "carriers"
> > loaded in your LCR, you are not a quality provider.
> > > 2. If you do have Tier-1 upstreams, you shouldn't have a
> problem revealing
> > that information. If you have a problem doing that, you're using
> > bottom-of-the-barrel carriers.
> > > 3. If your entire infrastructure consits on a leased box on Cogent
> > bandwith "burstable to 100 mbit", you're not a qualitity
> provider. Nobody in
> > their right mind will let you burst from 1 mbit to 100 for
> $59.95 per month.
> > > 4. When someone asks you for a commitment of N number of
> channels, you
> > better damn have them or say straight out you can't do it.
> > >
> > > I think it should be also a normal practice to make iptraf
> avaiable to a
> > potential customer so he can test the amount of bandwidth (and
> burst) you
> > have available.
> > >
> > > ScriptHead
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Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 02:53:59 +0400
From: Jean-Michel Hiver <jhiver at ykoz.net>
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Is ISP Blocking VoIP
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>Again....
>
>These schemes might be effective, temporarily, but playing cat and mouse
>with ports and the ISPs' attempts to dick with traffic is not a
>practical business model.
>
>
Playing cat and mouse is standard practice in the VoIP world...
unfortunately the telcos and isps which play fair and the exception
rather than the rule.
>Honestly, this behavior on the part of the ISP's doesn't surprise me in
>the least. Conside those cases where the ISP is also selling dialtone.
>VOIP traffic crossing their network, and NOT belonging to them, is
>competition. Given that the major communications companies have a
>history of aggressively protecting their revenues, and given that the
>current regulatory climate has been bought and paid for by those
>companies, it doesn't surprise me at all.
>
I agree with you. They are big, they have lots of capital, and they
don't like the idea of competition. So you need to play smart... there
is really no choice.
><tin_foil_hat=on>
>This is but an early skirmish in the war for the Internet, folks.
>Video-on-demand may well be the next round. That "holy grail" of the
>media giants is just around the corner, and don't think for a minute
>that your cable company/ISP will stand idly by and watch you order your
>movies from "moviesnow.blockbuster.com" if they can get away with
>dicking with the feed and offering you "a more reliable" alternative.
><tin_foil_hat=off>
>
>
The problem is that it's a sad truth. The internet which was originally
a cool P2P environment is increasingly turning into a pure client -
server (or rather consumer - big business) model. To me this is a huge
step backwards. Compuserve anyone?
Businesses love to lock their customers in, and this is exactly what's
happening. And until people understand the value of a clean connection,
with no NAT and a static IP address, this is not going to get any better...
Cheers,
Jean-Michel.
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 23:59:59 +0100
From: "Matt Riddell (IT)" <matt.riddell at sineapps.com>
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Is ISP Blocking VoIP
To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
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Script Head wrote:
> Can anyone name a couple of reasonably priced or freeware tools that could
> help me measure the performance between two VoIP endpoints?
Free For IAX: http://www.sineapps.com/sinestatiax.php
--
Cheers,
Matt Riddell
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