Netroots Net Neutrality "Lobbying" (was: Re: [asterisk-biz] Iptables rule help)

[Mike Hammett]

I'm not saying that this would fix everything, but only a select few 
providers (I'm believing perhaps only AT&T and maybe Verizon) have been 
publicly discussing this.  There's how many other carriers?  How many 
telcos, cablecos, WISPs, etc. use providers that are not those two?


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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Matthew Rubenstein" <email at mattruby.com>
To: "Henry J. Cobb" <hcobb at io.com>
Cc: "Asterisk-Biz" <asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com>
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 5:37 PM
Subject: RE: Netroots Net Neutrality "Lobbying" (was: Re: [asterisk-biz] 
Iptables rule help)


> On Fri, 2006-12-15 at 16:18 -0600, Henry J. Cobb wrote:
>> "Michael Jerris" <mike at jerris.com> wrote:
>> > This only works if consumers have choice.  Many areas in the US have
>> > little choice between carriers for broadband, and those that do, it
>> > won't help if all the carriers are blocking.  A friend was recently
>> > telling me about a meeting he had with a large number of clec and ilec
>> > customers, and the main thing they were interested in was detecting sip
>> > and voip traffic including on alternate ports so that they can block or
>> > degrade this traffic on their networks.  The theories of open markets
>> > only work when there is sufficient regulation in place to make sure 
>> > that
>> > there is truly a level playing field in the market place and in places
>> > where there is no up side for the provider, to enforce or entice them 
>> > to
>> > do the right thing.  I am big on free market philosophy, but when there
>> > are people at the top making the decisions that are not good for the 
>> > end
>> > customer; regulation must come in to protect it.
>>
>> I'd rather just hide as an SSL stream and let the telcos decide if 
>> they're
>> going to block people's access to their online bank accounts.
>
> Except that SSL stream cuts into the economy of VoIP. And besides, the
> pattern of connections is easily distinguishable as phone streams,
> rather than short banking transactions, or most anything else. The
> backbones can run traffic analysis, even as simple as the routed IP#
> going to/from a PSTN gateway. Any other lock/pick you try will be up
> against the highly motivated/financed backbones trying to crush you.
>
> Meanwhile, you're paying for a justice system. And all kinds of
> subsidies to the bad guys. Why wouldn't you demand you get value for
> your money, as well as justice? Are you that eager to imagine you'll be
> the monopoly telco yourself someday that you'll let them compete
> unfairly with you now, thwarting that dream?
> -- 
>
> (C) Matthew Rubenstein
>
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