[asterisk-biz] NuFone comes through

[Steve Totaro]

When they do a diag, they send patterns of ones and zeros through a 
TBird in my experience.  I am not sure of all the Tbird models, but I 
have yet to see one that allows tapping a particular channel on a TS3.  
Most of the Tbirds I have seen do not even have DS3 coax inputs and the 
ones that do probably cost over $10,000 which does restrict who can 
purchase it by price alone.

Like I said, the previous poster said "PSTN is not tamper proof, it's 
very easy to add a tap to almost anyone's house".  While I know it is 
possible to obtain such equipment, it is not easy and not inexpensive.  
It is especially not, "very easy".

The comparison was between POTS and digital.  Totally oranges to 
apples.  When you take the time to read the entire thread, then it makes 
more sense.  I am only top posting because that has been the trend in 
this thread but for the lazy, statements can be taken out of context. 

Thanks,
Steve

cdl at asgaard.org wrote:
> Steve,
>
> What do you think the local telco does everytime they have to do a diag on your circuit.  Do you think the equipment to do that is somehow "restricted" in who can purchase it?  How do you think CALEA requests are handled.  If you think that you are magically protcted because there are more bits on the line (and a DS-3 is no longer a high-cap circuit) then you are mis-informed.
>
> Chris
>   Sent via Blackberry  
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Totaro <stotaro at totarotechnologies.com>
> Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 15:47:18 
> To:Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion <asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com>
> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] NuFone comes through
>
> I would like to see you "tap into" my T3.
>
> Harry McGregor wrote:
>   
>> Hi,
>>
>> For some reason, everyone freaks out when something touches TCP/IP or
>> the internet.
>>
>> PSTN is not tamper proof, it's very easy to add a tap to almost anyone's
>> house.
>>
>> I dealt with a credit card company recently (HSBC) that when you sign up
>> for web access to your account (with SSN, billing zip, and card number),
>> they insist on mailing you two letters, one with a temporary username,
>> and another with a temporary password, to your billing address.
>>
>> If you called the number on the back of the card, you could get balance
>> info, purchase info, etc, all from the automated voice system.  All you
>> needed was the card number, and the billing zip code.  No last 4 of the
>> ssn, nothing.  They want to look like they are being secure for
>> "internet" banking, but good old bank by phone, well no one really cares
>> about that.
>>
>> I would far prefer encrypted VoIP, or VoIP on a dedicated Vlan over
>> copper interconnects that are easily tapped within a building.
>>
>> VoIP telco connects I still not sure about, but even that, if encrypted,
>> I can't see it as being any less secure than PSTN connectivity.
>>
>>                                               Harry
>>
>>
>> Mike Hammett wrote:
>>   
>>     
>>> Well, does HIPPA go into how Verizon, AT&T, Embarq, mom&pop, etc.
>>> run\operate their telco?  If your client is passing off to a telephone
>>> provider, does it matter what happens from there?
>>>
>>>
>>> ----
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>     
>>>       
>>
>>