Retail VoIP E911 (was: RE: [asterisk-biz] Voipjet)

Matthew Rubenstein email at mattruby.com
Sun Aug 6 13:33:56 MST 2006 

	"dash911" is an excellent answer, stripped of all the condescension.
"Reliable enough" would be even more useful praise than "fairly
inexpensive".

	More info about connecting Asterisk directly to the 911 network without
a commercial intermediary is welcome.


On Sun, 2006-08-06 at 16:21 -0400, Brian Fertig wrote:
> ok apparently your new and wet behind the ears on this one.   When you
> send ANI or CallerID number to the 911 provider they dip the PSAP
> directory before going
> 
> to the 911 controller.  From there he/she gets all the information she
> needs before hand.  It’s really a no brainer.  You just have to make
> sure your customers update
> 
> their respective information in the psap directory and your off and
> running..  Check out dash911...  They are fairly inexpensive.. 
> 
>  
> 
>                                    
> ______________________________________________________________________
> From: asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com
> [mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Brandon
> Galbraith
> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 4:16 PM
> To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Voipjet
> 
> 
>  
> 
> How does the company providing E911 services get address info for your
> customer who is dialing 911? Don't they need access to your customer
> database (most importantly, the table holding the address info
> specified by the user as the physical address)? 
> 
> -brandon
> 
> On 8/6/06, Brian Fertig <brian at netdr.biz> wrote:
> 
> ohh good lord..  You can integrate asterisk with 911.  You don't need
> a
> module you just buy services from the company and setup your dial plan
> to go
> there when 911 is called.  Nothing more or less.
> 
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From: asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-biz-
> > bounces at lists.digium.com ] On Behalf Of Matthew Rubenstein
> > Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 4:04 PM
> > To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
> > Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Voipjet
> >
> >       How are VoIP retailers supposed to connect to the E911
> network? I 
> > don't
> > see any Asterisk module to do so, nor any public E911 interface to
> which
> > retailers can register/report. Does that mean that Asterisk cannot
> offer
> > retail VoIP connectivity?
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 2006-08-06 at 14:36 -0500, VoIP Street wrote:
> > > Dovid Bender wrote:
> > > > End user is defined as ?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I have been using VoIPJet for quite a few months. I use them
> mostly 
> > for
> > > > testing and failover when I need it. Tonight, I received this
> from
> > them:
> > > >
> > > > HIGHEST PRIORITY
> > > >
> > > > Dear Customers,
> > > > 
> > > > We would like to take this opportunity to STRONGLY
> > > > REMIND YOU that VoipJet is strictly not a service for end-users.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If you do not understand what this means, 
> > > > discontinue service immediately and request a refund of your
> unused
> > > > balance. Only unused funds deposited in the last 30 days are
> subject
> > to
> > > > refund, as per our Terms of Service. There are no exceptions to
> this 
> > > > rule.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > > VoipJet Inc.
> > > >
> > > > Dated August 1, 2006
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > So they do NOT welcome my business any longer since I am an
> "end-user"
> > > > even though I have never bothered them for tech support nor have
> I
> > even
> > > > complained about their service? And per their TOS they woudl not
> even 
> > > > refund my money. Guess I will be dropping them and not giving
> them any
> > > > more of my money in the future. From now one if they ONLY want
> to do
> > > > business with non-endusers, then maybe they should require
> business 
> > > > credentials during the sign-up process...
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > In defense of VoIP Jet, I think part of the issue is that they are
> > > trying to comply with all the FCC regs in the US. I could be
> wrong 
> > though..
> > >
> > > As a provider offering "Interconnected VoIP" to "End Users" rather
> than
> > > wholesalers, e911 is suppose to be included.
> > >
> > > We explain this to our by making them agree to the 911 info on
> the 
> > > signup page which explains that we are a wholesale offering and DO
> NOT
> > > provide 911 services. 911 services are to be provided by the
> retailer of
> > > the services which he then resells to the "End User". We do not
> however 
> > > have any specific way to stop end users from signing up for our
> services
> > > at this time.
> > >
> > > I am sure at some point in the near future we will allow our
> customers
> > > to select "End User" or "Wholesaler" and provide e911 to those of
> our 
> > > customers who are designated as end users.
> > >
> > > There are also other regulations that have shown their ugly face
> lately
> > > uncluding the need for VoIP end users in the US to pay into the
> USF 
> > > (Universal Service Fund). This has made the whole "End User"
> and/or
> > > "wholesale" user situation even more confusing and difficult for
> > providers.
> > >
> > > For those providers that could care less about the regulations,
> are not 
> > > located in the US or just want to fly by the seat of their pants
> do not
> > > have to hassle their customers with these issues. At some point
> though I
> > > suspect they will have to be hassled by the US government :( 
> > >
> > > None of this info is intended as legal advice :) Just what we know
> so
> > > far, it's all pretty confusing and we are trying to steer through
> it
> > > like many other providers.
> > >
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