[Asterisk-biz] Tomtelecom

[Darren Wiebe]

Yes, that is more what I was thinking.  I think to that he is in 
business.  I talked to him on msn a couple of days ago but nothing goes 
as promised.  I'm inclined to agree with Ted that it was a mistake.  
Live and learn.

Darren Wiebe
darren at aleph-com.net

Alex Pui wrote:

>Ted,
>
>I think Darren's question is more than if Bob is still in business or not,
>he was asking if that was a mistake if he has prepaid a bunch of service.
>Would that be reliable and good service, would Bob go down before the
>prepaid was used up etc.
>
>This email is more objective, you were not in the same position as Darren,
>you have never prepaid any service to Bob.
>
>Alex
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com
>[mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Ted Gibson
>Sent: November 19, 2005 5:58 PM
>To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
>Subject: RE: [Asterisk-biz] Tomtelecom
>
>I'm pretty sure Bob is still in business.
>He got me IM late Thursday night asking me if I could route 3 DS3 to Mexico
>for him.
>He also tried to talk me into a couple for routes and wanted to get prepaid.
>I told him the last 4 times I tried to work with him it didn't work out so
>there was no way I would prepay him.
>I haven't heard from him since then.
>
>I'm pretty sure he's in business.
>
>Ted Gibson
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com
>[mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com]On Behalf Of trixter aka
>Bret McDanel
>Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 5:33 PM
>To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion;
>alex.pui at act-labs.com
>Subject: RE: [Asterisk-biz] Tomtelecom
>
>
>On Sat, 2005-11-19 at 17:17 -0800, Alex Pui wrote:
>  
>
>>>If the company is no longer there, they may not even be prepared to
>>>      
>>>
>dispute
>  
>
>>the >chargeback which means by default you get it, however there are some
>>    
>>
>>>circumstances where this wont be the case.  Its worth a try :)
>>>      
>>>
>>The above statement can be misleading. When the credit card has paid the
>>money to the company that has gone for good (if the company is not that
>>    
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>new,
>  
>
>>the bank would not hold a large amount for a long period of time), and the
>>bank now will look at your charge back claim very "carefully" to find the
>>way to disallow it.
>>
>>    
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>perhaps, that is one of the circumstances that I spoke of, usually if
>you are quick you can get it though.  Depending on the agreement and
>applicable laws (different states have local laws that apply to
>residents of those states so its a quagmire) the bank may have to take
>the hit for merchant fraud or general failure to provide what was paid
>for.  And its upto the bank to try to get the money from the person.
>Other countries I dont know I havent looked at all into the credit laws
>of other countries.
>
>
>  
>
>>If the service is not easy to quantify, and you have receive part of them,
>>tough luck, your claim will be dismissed.
>>
>>    
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>You have to do all or nothing, agreed, however becuase of that many
>banks (mine included in that list) will refund all if its merchant fraud
>(ie you got charged but didnt get goods).  I recently went through this
>with a merchant, my bank had no problems with the fact that some of what
>I was charged I owe, they refuned everything ...  Now, if the merchant
>doesnt have a bank account anymore (becuase you waited too long or they
>did everything to hide their impending doom) then it becomes a lot
>harder.  The reality is that the merchant does sign a contract that
>holds them liable for chargebacks even if that results in a negative
>balance.
>
>If you wait you are surely not going to get anything, but it doesnt hurt
>to at least try.
>
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