[Asterisk-biz] Large volume inbound US provider request

[Alex Pui]

Why? As the other Alex said, reader of the list will be able to draw their
own inferences.

Alex

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Sent: July 21, 2005 10:15 AM
To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion; alex at pilosoft.com
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Subject: Re: [Asterisk-biz] Large volume inbound US provider request

I'm not defending anyone, but can we please ban

trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com from the list?

Sincerely,
Brent Clements
Vice President, Operations
IO Networks

Quoting alex at pilosoft.com:

> Well, this is getting silly, I'm sure the casual reader of the list will
> be able to draw their own inferences. Response inline.
>
> On Thu, 21 Jul 2005, trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com wrote:
>
> > > a) I did not say access charges don't exist. Read the email. I said
> > > recip is almost gone, and where it exists, it is in the range of
> > > 0.05c/minute.  (as in, 1/20th of a penny).
> > >
> > I asked about access charges you said they didnt exist.  It cant be any
> > more clear than that.  But hey if you feel the need to defend your
> > stupidity after the fact by all means, but please try and learn
> > something.
> Read the email. I said, and I quote: "Nobody really has recips
> anymore [...]".
>
> > > b) Rural carriers operate by entirely different rules from the rest.
> > > You were looking for a CLEC to give you PRIs. By definition, rural
> > > carrier *is* an ILEC. Please do not try to confuse issues.
> > >
> > Those were only brought up becuase you proved that you didnt know basic
> > telephony.  If you read the original email you will see I never
> > mentioned a rural telephone company it was only after your 'you are on
> > crack' comment that I brought that up.
> >
> > Had you not insisted that access charges were nonexistant in the first
> > place and responded later with 'you are on crack' I would not have
> > brought them up.  Nice how you combine the 3rd email with the first to
> > prove your point.  Too bad you really dont know anything about what you
> > are talking about as indicated by your utter lack of understanding on
> > the issues from even this morning.
> Woot, namecalling galore.
> >
> > > c) You wanted a CLEC with recip - talk about clecs who still have
> > > recip. Don't bring up rural ILECs' access tariffs.
> > >
> > if you read the original email I fiurst said access charge, I appended
> > reciprocol compensation becuase many people who claim to know telephony
> > basics dont know anything about what I am talking about and I didnt want
> > to have to explain it, but you forced me to explain it to you by
> > insisting that you didnt know what you were talking about.
> It is *reciproCAL*.
>
> > > d) Notwithstanding the above, since you made claims to contrary:
> > > Access tariff by definition is LD (anything going between rate
> > > centers) and is specified in the tariffs. Access tariff may be
> > > different for intralata / intrastate / interstate.  Reciprocal
> > > compensation is by definition local (intra-rate-center), is
> > > individually negotiated and specified in ICA.  Arguing otherwise is
> > > pointless.
> > >
> > So you are saying there are no access charges for local calls?  Or are
> > you just implying that but not actually trying to say it so you can have
> > an out later on when you try to jumble the emails up?
> There are no access fees for intra-rate-center calls, correct. If there
> were, they would be called reciprocal compensation.
>
> -alex
>
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