[Asterisk-biz] Israel to block International VoIP calls?

[Yair Hakak]

sorry, we were talking about 2 different things. i was talking about
local numbering and wireline-replacement service, and you were
referring to my original post about grey-route termination.

there are good reasons not to allow grey-route termination, among them:
1. the possbility of undercutting the licensed interconnect scheme this way.
2. LI (legal intercept) -which none of us, including myself, like, but
which as a regulator i do have to deal with.

there are some others (mainly involving cellular networks), but those
are the main ones.  and, by the way, many (but as you pointed out
probably not all) of the piratical operators are truly piratical, i.e.
they don't pay taxes on wages and benefits, simply because they are
not recognized as corporate entities by law. many of them are "fly by
night" types, which is a problem in and of itself, i.e. stability of
supply to avoid wild fluctuations in price.

on a different note, how does telecom regulation work on Reunion
island? is it the same as in france or are there local regulations? is
there competition?

-yair

On 12/18/05, Jean-Michel Hiver <jhiver at ykoz.net> wrote:
>
> >that's exactly the point. NO ONE WILL SELL YOU PRIS because you will
> >be their competitors. its not a matter of being profitable, it's a
> >matter of the incumbent LEC applying monopolistic power towards you.
> >if, on the other hand, you have a license, the incumbent doesnt have a
> >choice, and has to sell you PRIs.
> >
> >
>
> OK. Still, according to:
>
> http://blog.tmcnet.com/blog/tom-keating/voip/israel-not-blocking-voip.asp
>
> You said:
>
> "Hello,
> I am Yair Hakak, regulatory economist with the Israel Ministry of
> Communciations. Here is a copy of a letter I sent Jeff Pulver about our
> VOIP regulatory policy. In short, a tempest in a teacup, and we are
> certainly not going to block or filter traffic in any way. Our orders to
> the ISP were about very specific piratical activities, and not in any
> way addressed to VoIP endusers."
>
> If your stance is so much in favor of those small businesses, how come
> you're describing them as having "piratical activities"?
>
> If telcos NEVER sell them PRIs, how come those business exist?
>
> Why have you specifically asked ISPs /not/ to sell them bandwith?
>
> It looks like there is some severe "impedance mismach" between the very
> liberal stance you're taking and what you're asking ISPs to do.
>
> I understand why it's good to have licensing schemes for bigger players
> and people who need to interconnect properly. But I fail to see why
> unlicensed business - especially in the grey routing market where 911 is
> a non issue - should be disallowed to exist. Would you care to explain?
>
>
> >trust me, they don't. they'd much rather we left them alone. remember
> >also that in israel a CLEC cannot be an international provider, and
> >vice versa. There is total separation between markets, mainly to
> >prevent the former monopolist from using it's monopolistic profits in
> >one market to kill another. the international calling providers (who
> >are also the large ISPs) are in a very competitive market.
> >
> >
> I don't criticize the fact that telcos are obliged to sell to licensed
> competitors. I criticize the fact that ISPs are asked to cut off
> unlicensed ones which are described as "piratical" when in fact I'm sure
> they are paying taxes and social contributions on the wages and profits
> they distribute.
>
>
>
> >>It raises entry barriers, which means less competition, which in turn
> >>means more profit. It also means less jobs and less a competitive
> >>economy but I'm not going to give a class on the benefits of free
> >>markets here.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >I am a regulatory economist, with an emphasis on economist. no offense
> >meant, but i could give the class.
> >
> >
> I am not attacking your credibility. At the same time, being a
> "regulatory economist" doesn't make your argument any more or less valid
> than it already was.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_authority
>
>
> >our way is free :-)
> >
> >
> Well this is just nice!
>
> >just out of curiosity, what country are you from?
> >
> >
> France. More specifically, I operate in Reunion Island which is French
> overseas island.
>
>
> >again, please take all my comments as part of a constructive dialogue,
> >no offense meant.
> >
> >
> Same here. At least we agree on /that/ :)
>
>
> Cheers,
> Jean-Michel.
>
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