[Asterisk-biz] Considering VoipJet (was: VOIPJET is in violation)

[Brian West]

Its that age old thing..

Quality
Price
Reliability

Pick Two.

That's all it is.

bkw

> -----Original Message-----
> From: asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-biz-
> bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Roderick Montgomery
> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 9:20 AM
> To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
> Subject: [Asterisk-biz] Considering VoipJet (was: VOIPJET is in violation)
> 
> According to Paul Rodan:
> > Why is everybody so hard on VoipJet? I understand they broke the rules
> on
> > that one, and they'll probably make it right, but it seems like
> everybody is
> > taking a stab at them even though they're just like the rest of us,
> > competing in this growing market.
> 
> I'm relatively new to VoIP (only four or five years), but I've got over
> ten
> years of data-side internetworking behind me, so I've seen this sort of
> reaction before. I can't speak for the actual people that are 'taking a
> stab' at VoipJet, but generally speaking, low-price vendors always cause
> a little instability and churn in the market.
> 
> By example, I'm sure that Nufone has lost a few customers that want to try
> VoipJet's low rates (a few on this list have claimed they're 'impossibly
> low' rates). I'm also sure that Nufone and others have gained or regained
> customers that are unhappy with VoipJet for one reason or another.
> 
> Nearly all customers get wowed by low price, and it's increasingly
> difficult
> for vendors to compete on a basis other than price. So when a player like
> VoipJet comes on the scene, they cause a strong reaction from the folks
> that
> have really put effort (and yes, financial investment) into building a
> quality-first, low-price later sort of network model.
> 
> 
> 
> > I for one would be a little upset if they increase their prices as a
> > result of this. But I would be even more upset if all this
> > arguing/fighting/bickering caused VoipJet to say "Screw it" and pull out
> > completely.
> 
> If they change their prices or pull out of the market, it won't be (just)
> because of bickering on this list. It'll be a business decision. If the
> claims against VoipJet are true -- that their pricing is impossibly low --
> then it's just a matter of time before their pricing changes. If not, and
> they're managing their business in a way that confounds this list's
> armchair
> MBAs, then they might just stay the same. Remember, VoipJet haven't
> published their balance sheet; parts of their business may be more
> profitable than others, keeping a seemingly 'impossible' pricing structure
> afloat to attract more customers. Who knows? Time will tell.
> 
> 
> 
> > I don't want to start a flame-war, seen that kill too many groups, but
> I'm
> > just curious why everybody seems to have something personally against
> > them. I haven't seen much stabbing at any other company BUT them. Maybe
> > I'm missing something big, in which case, I'd like to know what that is,
> > as my company is about to rely on them as their primary LD carrier, with
> > NuFone as backup and a dedicated (but overpriced) LD T1/PRI as a
> Tertiary
> > backup.
> 
> Others can offer their own opinions experiences, but only you can decide
> which vendors suit your own network and needs. Personally, I use a CLEC's
> PRI trunk for local and toll-free calls, I've used Nufone on and off for
> LD,
> and I recently tried VoipJet's free trial. For me, VoipJet's audio quality
> was good, but latency was noticable and jitter reared its ugly head, too.
> I
> can't tell whether the jitter problem is actually worse that I think and
> they're already buffering some of it out, causing the latency, or if some
> internet transit between my asterisk box and theirs has trouble, or even
> whether my experience is atypical. I'll try VoipJet again in a few months
> to
> see if things have improved from my network's perspective, but they may
> work
> much better for you.
> 
> Remember, Voice over IP over local ethernet or even over a well-run campus
> WAN can be bulletproof, but Voice over IP over the internet is still a
> hit-or-miss proposition. You really must experiment to see what works best
> for you.
> 
> rm
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