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<base href="https://wiki.asterisk.org/wiki" /> 
<title>Message Title</title>  
<style type="text/css">@media only screen and (max-device-width: 480px) {.mobile-only {
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        overflow: visible !important;
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#center-content-table { max-width: none; !important; }
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#email-content-container { padding: 0 !important; }
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#inline-user-pattern { display: block !important; }
#inline-user-pattern-avatar { padding-top: 3px !important; }
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/* Show appropriate footer logo on mobile, display links vertically */
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#footer-pattern-logo-desktop-container { padding: 0 !important; }
#footer-pattern-logo-desktop { width: 0 !important; height: 0 !important; }
#footer-pattern-logo-mobile {
    padding-top: 10px !important;
    width: 30px !important;
    height: 27px !important;
    display: inline !important;
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#footer-pattern-text {
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#footer-pattern-links-container { line-height: 0 !important;}
.footer-pattern-links.mobile-resize-text,
.footer-pattern-links.mobile-resize-text,
#footer-pattern-text.mobile-resize-text,
#footer-pattern-links-container.no-footer-links {
    font-size: 14px !important;
    line-height: 20px !important;
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.footer-link { display: block !important; }
#footer-pattern-links-container table { display: inline-block !important; float: none !important; }
#footer-pattern-links-container, #footer-pattern-text { text-align: center !important; }
#footer-pattern-links { padding-bottom: 5px !important; }

/** Team Calendar overrides, these should be removed when notifications are updated in Team Calendars. For now CSS
    overrides are being used because the structure of the content can't change without rereleasing the plugin */
.mail-calendar-container .day-header + table tr td:first-child {
    vertical-align: top !important;
    padding-top: 5px !important;
}}
@media (min-width: 900px) {#center-content-table { width: 900px; }}
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/* Prevent Webkit and Windows Mobile platforms from changing default font sizes.*/
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.ExternalClass {width:100%;} /* Force Hotmail to display emails at full width */
#background-table {margin:0; padding:0; width:100% !important; }
/* Needed to override highlighting on date and time links in iOS */
.grey a {color: #707070; text-decoration: none; }/* These styles are appended to the head element of a notification in order to prevent Apple Mail and similar
   clients from underlining the due dates with a blue hyperlink */
/* a lozenge outside an inline task should always be #333, lozenges inside an inline task should be
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.date-time-lozenge a {color: #333333; text-decoration: none; }
.inline-task-text-container .date-time-lozenge.date-upcoming a {color: #DF6F00; text-decoration: none; }
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<td id="header-avatar-image-container" valign="top" style="padding: 0px; border-collapse: collapse; vertical-align: top; width: 32px; padding-right: 9px"><a href="https://wiki.asterisk.org/wiki/display/~tsearle?src=email" style="color: #3b73af; text-decoration: none"><img id="header-avatar-image" class="image_fix" src="cid:avatar_8a307e7bad864c297e40a6c3c1e29339" height="32" width="32" border="0" style="border-radius: 3px; vertical-align: top" /></a></td>
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<td id="email-content-container" style="padding: 0px; border-collapse: collapse; padding: 0 20px"> 
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<table class="content-excerpt-pattern" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" width="100%" style="border-collapse: collapse; mso-table-lspace: 0pt; mso-table-rspace: 0pt; color: #333; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 20px; mso-line-height-rule: exactly; mso-text-raise: 1px"> 
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<td class="content-excerpt-pattern-container mobile-resize-text " style="padding: 0px; border-collapse: collapse; padding: 0 0 0 24px"> <p class="diff-context-placeholder" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">...</p> <p class="diff-block-context" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0">answer: yes, we are attempting to focus more on performance, we can def use more feedback, especially on what things we should test, indeed DNS can make a huge difference</p> <p class="diff-block-context" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0"> </p> <p class="diff-block-target diff-block-context" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0"> <span class="diff-html-added" id="added-diff-0" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ddfade;">Ben Ford</span> <br /> <span class="diff-html-added" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ddfade;">How not to trust the quality of the internet</span> </p> <p class="diff-block-target diff-block-context" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0"> <span class="diff-html-added" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ddfade;">Shattering the illusion some have that the traffic on the internet always get from point A to point B</span> </p> <p class="diff-block-context" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0"> </p> <p class="diff-block-target diff-block-context" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0"> <span class="diff-html-added" id="added-diff-1" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ddfade;">today we will talk about media improvements particularly ref video</span> </p> <p class="diff-block-target diff-block-context" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0"> <span class="diff-html-added" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ddfade;">I'm not josh & don't have his knowlege, send him or me questions </span><a href="mailto:bford@digium.com" class="external-link" rel="nofollow" style="color: #3b73af; text-decoration: none"><span class="diff-html-added" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ddfade;">bford@digium.com</span></a> </p> <p class="diff-block-target diff-block-context" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0"> <span class="diff-html-added" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ddfade;">Overview:</span> </p> <p class="diff-block-target diff-block-context" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0"> <span class="diff-html-added" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ddfade;">patchy networks cause packet loss, which causes awful video experience</span> </p> <p class="diff-block-target diff-block-context" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0"> <span class="diff-html-added" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ddfade;">we are going to talk about how REMB & NACK work within asterisk w some demos</span> </p> <p class="diff-block-context" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0"> </p> <p class="diff-block-target diff-block-context" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0"> <span class="diff-html-added" id="added-diff-2" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ddfade;">packet loss causes:</span> </p> <p class="diff-block-target diff-block-context" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0"> <span class="diff-html-added" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ddfade;">routing options - sub-obtimal routing (it may go via california)</span> </p> <p class="diff-block-target diff-block-context" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0"> <span class="diff-html-added" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ddfade;">network congestion - some packets won't get there</span> </p> <p class="diff-block-target diff-block-context" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0"> <span class="diff-html-added" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ddfade;">some packets may end up out of order</span> </p> <p class="diff-block-target diff-block-context" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0"> <span class="diff-html-added" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ddfade;"> </span> </p> <p class="diff-block-target diff-block-context" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0"> <span class="diff-html-added" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ddfade;">this hurts communicaiton if you are missing packets then you are obviosuly going to get (more apparent in video)</span> </p> <p class="diff-block-target diff-block-context" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0"> <span class="diff-html-added" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ddfade;">video freezes, or video stops</span> </p> <p class="diff-block-target diff-block-context" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0"> <span class="diff-html-added" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ddfade;">audio just gets choppy or "wonky" sounding</span> </p> <p class="diff-block-target diff-block-context" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0"> <span class="diff-html-added" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ddfade;">webrtc has tech to help video REMB & nack</span> </p> <p class="diff-block-target diff-block-context" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0"> <span class="diff-html-added" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ddfade;">What is remb?</span> </p> <p class="diff-block-target diff-block-context" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0"> <span class="diff-html-added" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ddfade;">remote estimated max bitrate</span> </p> <p class="diff-block-target diff-block-context" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0"> <span class="diff-html-added" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ddfade;">what this does is poll all the users of a call and find the bandwith of each user individually</span> </p> <p class="diff-block-target diff-block-context" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0"> <span class="diff-html-added" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ddfade;">it applys to all media streams</span> </p> <p class="diff-block-target diff-block-context" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0"> <span class="diff-html-added" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ddfade;">it can change throughout the lifetime of a call - so things can change during the call</span> </p> <p class="diff-block-target diff-block-context" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0"> <span class="diff-html-added" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ddfade;">it can control the video encoding bitrate of the sender, telling the sender the range we can expect/allow</span> </p> <p class="diff-block-target diff-block-context" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0"> <span class="diff-html-added" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ddfade;">supported in webrtc land</span> </p> <p class="diff-block-target diff-block-context" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0"> <span class="diff-html-added" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ddfade;"> </span> </p> <p class="diff-block-target diff-block-context" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0"> <span class="diff-html-added" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ddfade;">how does remb work</span> </p> <p class="diff-block-target diff-block-context" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0"> <span class="diff-html-added" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ddfade;">each receiver going to calculate max bitrate, then send it to asteris</span> </p> <p class="diff-block-target diff-block-context" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0"> <span class="diff-html-added" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ddfade;">asterisk relays or generates it's own feedback message</span> </p> <p class="diff-block-target diff-block-context" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0"> <span class="diff-html-added" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ddfade;"> </span> </p> <p class="diff-block-target diff-block-context" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0"> <span class="diff-html-added" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ddfade;">REMB is just a first step, transportcc and tmmbr, not widely supported though, foundation is in place to add later</span> </p> <p class="diff-block-target diff-block-context" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0"> <span class="diff-html-added" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ddfade;"> </span> </p> <p class="diff-block-target diff-block-context" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0"> <span class="diff-html-added" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ddfade;">NACK is like a ACK but not really it's a negative acknowledgement</span> </p> <p class="diff-block-target diff-block-context" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0"> <span class="diff-html-added" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ddfade;">it is a message when you do not get something you expect, eg report a lost packet</span> </p> <p class="diff-block-target diff-block-context" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0"> <span class="diff-html-added" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ddfade;">can be used to trigger retransmission & counter the effects of packet loss</span> </p> <p class="diff-block-target diff-block-context" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0"> <span class="diff-html-added" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ddfade;">works on a per-stream basis</span> </p> <p class="diff-block-target diff-block-context" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0"> <span class="diff-html-added" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ddfade;">no guarantee to get all lost packets back, (you may loose the packets again)</span> </p> <p class="diff-block-target diff-block-context" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0"> <span class="diff-html-added" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ddfade;"> </span> </p> <p class="diff-block-target diff-block-context" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0"> <span class="diff-html-added" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ddfade;">how does nack work?</span> </p> <p class="diff-block-target diff-block-context" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0"> <span class="diff-html-added" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ddfade;">ingresss -store packets in a buffer, so we can resend if needed</span> </p> <p class="diff-block-target diff-block-context" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0"> <span class="diff-html-added" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ddfade;">egress - if we recieve a packet we are expecting process it</span> </p> <p class="diff-block-target diff-block-context" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0"> <span class="diff-html-added" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ddfade;">otherwise store it, any missing packets then send a NACK request</span> </p> <p class="diff-block-target diff-block-context" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0"> <span class="diff-html-added" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ddfade;">when buffer reaches 1/2 size we send a nack to get the missing packets</span> </p> <p class="diff-block-target diff-block-context" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0"> <span class="diff-html-added" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ddfade;"> </span> </p> </td> 
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