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<td class="content-excerpt-pattern-container mobile-resize-text " style="padding: 0px; border-collapse: collapse; padding: 0 0 0 24px"> <p class="diff-context-placeholder" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">...</p>
<ul class="diff-block-target" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0">
<li>Allowed changes (LTS/Standard)
<ul style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">
<li>Standard is okay with test requirements</li>
<li>Jared: policy worked really well and everyone seems to think so</li>
<li>Does anyone run standard in production?
<ul style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">
<li> <span class="diff-html-removed" id="removed-diff-0" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ffe7e7; text-decoration: line-through;">Numbers from FreePBX (new in last 30 days)</span>
<ul style="margin: 10px 0 0 0">
<li> <span class="diff-html-removed" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ffe7e7; text-decoration: line-through;">11 - 98910</span> </li>
<li> <span class="diff-html-removed" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ffe7e7; text-decoration: line-through;">1.8 - 21150</span> </li>
<li> <span class="diff-html-removed" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ffe7e7; text-decoration: line-through;">12 - 3343</span> </li>
<li> <span class="diff-html-removed" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ffe7e7; text-decoration: line-through;">13 - 732</span> </li>
<li> <span class="diff-html-removed" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ffe7e7; text-decoration: line-through;">1.6 - 243</span> </li>
<li> <span class="diff-html-removed" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ffe7e7; text-decoration: line-through;">1.4 - 35</span> </li>
</ul> </li>
<li>Jared/Daniel: yes</li>
<li>Aggressiveness in Standard release is warranted
<ul style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">
<li>Should we be more aggressive? Particularly in the initial stages?</li>
<li>API versioning: when should it apply?</li>
</ul> </li>
<li>Daniel: don't change some things in LTS
<ul style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">
<li>Data models should not be changed</li>
<li>Configuration schemas should not change</li>
<li>No breaking changes in LTS release</li>
</ul> </li>
<li>LTS can allow new features, but must be low impact. No breaking features, does not impact the user in a negative fashion
<ul style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">
<li>Require community notice and sufficient time (1 week prior to cutting RC) to accommodate. If new modules, merge disabled, then enable if approved.</li>
</ul> </li>
<li>Standard: allow more aggressiveness</li>
<li> <strong><span class="diff-html-changed" id="changed-diff-0" style="background-color: #d6f0ff;">Action:</span></strong><span class="diff-html-changed" style="background-color: #d6f0ff;"> </span>Matt to draft wiki page</li>
</ul> </li>
</ul> </li>
</ul>
<ul class="diff-block-context" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0">
<li> <span style="line-height: 1.4285715;">External libraries (help packagers)</span>
<ul style="margin: 10px 0 0 0">
<li> <span style="line-height: 1.4285715;">pjproject: such a core part of Asterisk. Was embedded. </span>General<span style="line-height: 1.4285715;"> speaking, do we feel it should be external?</span>
<ul style="margin: 10px 0 0 0">
<li> <span style="line-height: 1.4285715;">Stability is iffy. pjproject is not designed to be an external library. People have to be careful when updating.</span> </li>
</ul> </li>
<li> <span style="line-height: 1.4285715;">Jared: generally, yes. RH side is </span>appreciated. Harder sometimes on the end user, probably things we could to to help them.
<ul style="margin: 10px 0 0 0">
<li>May need better documentation, particularly for end users</li>
</ul> </li>
<li>Asterisk:
<ul style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">
<li>editline, iLBC</li>
</ul> </li>
</ul> </li>
</ul>
<ul class="diff-block-target" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0">
<li>Infrastructure
<ul style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">
<li>GIT!
<ul style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">
<li>George: really, just do it.</li>
<li>Darren: Stash integration with JIRA is nice.
<ul style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">
<li>but it doesn't bundle notifications</li>
</ul> </li>
<li>Will we do pull requests?
<ul style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">
<li>Only if it's the only mechanism. Multiple mechanisms are hard.</li>
</ul> </li>
<li>Can we make it easier for contributors?</li>
<li>Do we do the Linus model for merging?
<ul style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">
<li>Paul: is it a developer's job to merge?</li>
<li>Sean: not a problem for merging between branches</li>
<li>Matt F: It isn't free. There is work involved.</li>
<li>Downside of open stack approach: lots of moving parts
<ul style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">
<li>Leif: you can pick a subset of those parts</li>
</ul> </li>
</ul> </li>
<li>Action: finish evaluation<br /> <br /> </li>
</ul> </li>
</ul> </li>
<li>Testsuite
<ul style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">
<li>Dependencies are the hardest part. Debian packagers:
<ul style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">
<li>attest doesn't work (but do we care?)</li>
</ul> </li>
<li>Paul: can we name the test suite?</li>
<li>George: trying to get all of the tests to run usually blows up. The documentation is lacking.</li>
<li>Torey: versioning of the test suite?
<ul style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">
<li>Paul: I have a solution to that. It's radical. Remove the tests from the test suite (and put them somewhere else).</li>
<li>Version the 'stock' test suite libraries</li>
<li> <strong><span class="diff-html-changed" id="changed-diff-1" style="background-color: #d6f0ff;">Action</span></strong>: determine what it would take to do that as we move to git</li>
<li>Have test suite in docker. Community: provider docker config</li>
</ul> </li>
</ul> </li>
</ul> <p class="diff-context-placeholder" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0">...</p>
<ul class="diff-block-target" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0">
<li>Deprecate AMI/AGI (Ben Klang)
<ul style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">
<li>George: configuration
<ul style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">
<li>"New" configuration - sorcery/config framework
<ul style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">
<li>Push model of configuration - ARI</li>
</ul> </li>
<li>"Old" configuration - (voicemail.conf, sip.conf, users.conf)
<ul style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">
<li>Update static files, then do a reload</li>
<li>Preferably preserve old mechanism in some fashion</li>
</ul> </li>
</ul> </li>
<li>Motivation on deprecating it
<ul style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">
<li>There is no one API. This makes it difficult for versioning. A change to any one makes versioning challenging.</li>
<li>If we don't remove something, ARI may make things more painful.</li>
<li>AMI/AGI not sufficient by itself; if ARI is sufficient, that'd be nice</li>
<li>Can we at least get to the point where ARI is the future?</li>
<li>Paul: if multi-interfaces are the problem, why can't AMI/ARI be condensed?
<ul style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">
<li>Example: AMI/ARI have their own event systems</li>
<li>Let AMI use the ARI web socket for its events
<ul style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">
<li>Would have to solve semantic issues between AMI/ARI event streams</li>
</ul> </li>
</ul> </li>
<li>Do we want ARI to replace AMI (take its role)?
<ul style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">
<li>Should ARI become a call control protocol?</li>
<li>Lenz: till lots of old stuff in the field. Doing away with all of it will not be easy. A change to ARI will not happen tomorrow unless you control the deployment.</li>
<li>Ben: can't just pull it. Just don't want to keep enhancing it.</li>
</ul> </li>
<li>Example: Security events
<ul style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">
<li>Should they be in ARI?</li>
<li>George: we probably do need to have the distinction.</li>
<li>Nir: vast majority of community doesn't understand ARI. It needs to be easier in order to replace AMI.</li>
<li>Jared: adoption may be slow since it doesn't do everything AMI does.</li>
<li> <strong><span class="diff-html-changed" id="changed-diff-2" style="background-color: #d6f0ff;">Action</span></strong>: -dev/-users list: what are using AMI for that we can't use ARI for?</li>
<li>Leif: we're in a transition, moving from dialplan model to external control model. Probably need external application to be built for us to move completely away from AMI/AGI.</li>
<li>Paul: take away apps, and whatever is in the core is what we should care about</li>
<li>Lenz: some things are harder in ARI
<ul style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">
<li>TTS is actually harder (I can use an AGI script for that)</li>
<li>Playlists</li>
</ul> </li>
<li>Should we use the dialplan at all?
<ul style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">
<li>The idea is: ARI should not use the dialplan applications at all</li>
<li>pbx_stasis: catch-all for channels<br /> <br /> </li>
</ul> </li>
</ul> </li>
</ul> </li>
</ul> </li>
<li>ARI Enhancements
<ul style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">
<li>Play media from remote sources</li>
<li>TTS/ASR
<ul style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">
<li>Leif: write down how you think one would to it</li>
<li> <strong><span class="diff-html-changed" id="changed-diff-3" style="background-color: #d6f0ff;">Action</span></strong>: Matt to write things down</li>
<li>Grammar processor
<ul style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">
<li>DTMF & ASR</li>
<li>Adds latency to application layer today</li>
</ul> </li>
</ul> </li>
</ul> </li>
<li> <span style="line-height: 1.4285715;">What things does ARI not do (that you would like to to do)?</span> <br />
<ul style="margin: 10px 0 0 0">
<li>Transfers
<ul style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">
<li>Need a way to tell the endpoint to redirect to another system
<ul style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">
<li>This does not exist today</li>
</ul> </li>
</ul> </li>
<li>Playlists</li>
<li>Subscriptions
<ul style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">
<li>Wildcard: subscribe me to all bridges (or everything)</li>
</ul> </li>
<li>Security Events</li>
<li>Have Asterisk initiate the web socket connection (client)</li>
</ul> </li>
</ul> <p class="diff-context-placeholder" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0">...</p>
<ul class="diff-block-target" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0">
<li>Simplifying sitting behind a proxy
<ul style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">
<li>Different identification schemes</li>
<li>Registration state dictates endpoint/device state
<ul style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">
<li>If I have a call from something, assume it exists</li>
<li>Have the presence of a call signal that an endpoint/device state exists. Derive from the signalling.</li>
<li> <strong><span class="diff-html-changed" id="changed-diff-4" style="background-color: #d6f0ff;">Action</span></strong>: Daniel to provide an e-amil describing the problem</li>
</ul> </li>
<li>Need to know system load
<ul style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">
<li>NEED: CPU usage (Sean Bright and Malcolm: SNMP?)</li>
<li>Channel count</li>
<li>Memory usage</li>
<li>Torey: we send an INVITE once a minute and see what happens</li>
<li>Call quality statistics (secondary indicator)</li>
<li>Distribution of response times on requests/responses</li>
<li>Call quality (see above, again)</li>
<li>Darren: two scales - one for concurrent, one for calls per second
<ul style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">
<li>Caching mechanisms in Linux can be self-defeating. Caching at that call volume can be rough
<ul style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">
<li>Look at IOStat</li>
</ul> </li>
</ul> </li>
</ul> </li>
</ul> </li>
<li>Simplifying routing/dialing of SIP URIs</li>
<li>Federation</li>
</ul> <p class="diff-context-placeholder" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0">...</p>
<ul class="diff-block-target" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0">
<li>Dial an AoR
<ul style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">
<li>endpoint -> Aor -> contact1 & contact2, etc.</li>
<li> <strong>Note</strong> We need more documentation for this</li>
<li>Disconnect between device state and contacts. Need to know which contacts are in use.
<ul style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">
<li>There's no guarantee that information in SIP messages maps back to a contact</li>
</ul> </li>
<li> <strong><span class="diff-html-changed" id="changed-diff-5" style="background-color: #d6f0ff;">Action</span></strong>: document & explain the problem</li>
</ul> </li>
</ul> <p class="diff-context-placeholder" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0">...</p>
<ul class="diff-block-target" style="margin: 10px 0 0 0">
<li>DNS Resolver Woes
<ul style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">
<li>Are we only concerned with Asterisk's PJSIP DNS resolution? Or do we care about the rest of Asterisk?
<ul style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">
<li>E.164 lookups are really needed (have to shell out to do it today - Rob)</li>
<li>XMPP</li>
</ul> </li>
<li>Complaints about current system:</li>
<li>Respect TTLs</li>
<li>Asynchronous</li>
<li>NAPTR</li>
<li>SRV failover</li>
<li>IPv6</li>
<li>Josh: a lot of this is in how you use it</li>
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<li> <strong><span class="diff-html-changed" id="changed-diff-6" style="background-color: #d6f0ff;">Action</span></strong>: Ben Klang - propose out on -dev list</li>
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