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    To be honest, that is the logic we ended up with, and are dumping
    our LCR.  The savings aren't worth the headache.  We don't have 1M
    numbers, but we have a significant number.  We can't quite get down
    to one carrier (and don't really want to), but we can keep outbound
    calls on the carrier that "owns" them, and not worry about this.<br>
    <br>
    Jeff LaCoursiere<br>
    StratusTalk, Inc.<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/11/21 8:12 PM, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:dk@donkelly.biz">dk@donkelly.biz</a>
      wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal">You said it in your first post when you
          said “<span lang="SV">I reallt don’t understand.” You don’t
            understand the business that these people are in. A few
            people showed you a few examples of why it’s important to
            use more than one carrier--and there are other reasons that
            stir/shaken is a big deal for some of us.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="SV"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="SV">It clearly isn’t a big deal
            for you, so you probably don’t have much to add to the
            discussion.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="SV"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="SV"> --Don<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> asterisk-users
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com"><asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com></a> <b>On
                Behalf Of </b>Sebastian Nielsen<br>
              <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 11, 2021 7:21 PM<br>
              <b>To:</b> 'Mailing List'
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:asterisk-users@lists.digium.com"><asterisk-users@lists.digium.com></a><br>
              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [asterisk-users] STIR/SHAKEN<o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="SV">1:  1M DID’s? Then I would
            go straight out and say you are a phone operator, and then
            getting your own STIR/SHAKEN certificate shouldn’t be a
            problem at all. Thats a massive amount of numbers,
            unrealistically many numbers for any company ever except for
            those that are a phone operator.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="SV"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="SV">2: For me, its seems like
            hunting for nano-cents. I checked around when I got my DID
            and call account for my own personal use, and the prices
            aren’t that different. Its really not worth the effort for
            what you save. Checked with several operators and the prices
            are almost the same per minute, its like one operator has
            like 0.016 per minute and another has 0.014 … not gonna save
            much on that. Might save like 1$-2$ per month on choosing
            the latter operator.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="SV"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="SV">3: Why? Consolidiate all
            your agreements to 1 single operator that handles
            everything, and everything will be so much simpler. Then you
            are simply a trunk ccustomer to that particular operator, no
            need to handle all this with signing and certificates and
            everything..<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="SV">To save a little tiny
            nano-cent from each minute of call..<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="SV"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:65.2pt"><b><span
                lang="SV">Från:</span></b><span lang="SV"> <a
                href="mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com"
                moz-do-not-send="true">asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com</a>
              <<a
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              <b>För </b>Joel Serrano<br>
              <b>Skickat:</b> den 12 mars 2021 01:52<br>
              <b>Till:</b> Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial
              Discussion <<a
                href="mailto:asterisk-users@lists.digium.com"
                moz-do-not-send="true">asterisk-users@lists.digium.com</a>><br>
              <b>Ämne:</b> Re: [asterisk-users] STIR/SHAKEN<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:65.2pt"><span lang="SV"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:65.2pt"><span
              lang="SV">Hi, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:65.2pt"><span
                lang="SV"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:65.2pt"><span
                lang="SV">I wanted to add some comments to Sebastian's
                response:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:65.2pt"><span
                lang="SV"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:65.2pt"><span
                lang="SV">1- When you have a lot of DIDs, you can't just
                "port" them over from company1 to company2. Try to have
                1M or so DIDs and ask if you can just port them. No no,
                not that simple. There is a process that a lot of times
                is not worth the cost/risk/etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:65.2pt"><span
                lang="SV">2- What happens if company1 has very good
                pricing for DIDs, but extremely high rates for placing
                outbound calls, and company2 has super
                aggressive pricing for the destinations you use most,
                but sells DIDs very expensive? Mix and match? :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:65.2pt"><span
                lang="SV">3- What do you do, when instead of having 1
                outbound carrier, you have several 50? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:65.2pt"><span
                lang="SV"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:65.2pt"><span
                lang="SV">At the end I think you are mistakenly
                comparing apples to oranges, your DID provider has
                nothing to do with your outbound carrier, can the DID
                provider also give you outbound calling? Most likely,
                but that doesn't mean that the best way to go is to
                route outbound calls via the carrier that is providing
                you DIDs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:65.2pt"><span lang="SV"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:65.2pt"><span
                lang="SV">On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 4:34 PM Sebastian
                Nielsen <<a href="mailto:sebastian@sebbe.eu"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">sebastian@sebbe.eu</a>>
                wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:65.2pt"><span
                    lang="SV">I reallt don’t understand why people
                    simply use the same operator to terminate your
                    calls, which also provide DIDs for you.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:65.2pt"><span
                    lang="SV"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:65.2pt"><span
                    lang="SV">Then you don’t need to touch this at all,
                    your carrier will do all the STIR/SHAKEN handling
                    for you, you are just a PBX customer.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:65.2pt"><span
                    lang="SV">And then the operator then simply limits
                    your account to only present your DID as outgoing
                    number.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:65.2pt"><span
                    lang="SV"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:65.2pt"><span
                    lang="SV">Seems to be a unneccesary complicated
                    solution just to have your numbers at company 1 and
                    have your call termination at company 2.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:65.2pt"><span
                    lang="SV">So fricking unneccessary.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:65.2pt"><span
                    lang="SV"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:65.2pt"><span
                    lang="SV">What I know there is requirements of
                    number portability, so as long as company 2 can
                    handle DIDs (ergo ”own” DIDs) you should be able to
                    move your DIDs from company 1 to company 2 – then
                    company 2 owns your DIDs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:65.2pt"><span
                    lang="SV"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:65.2pt"><span
                    lang="SV">Best regards, Sebastian Nielsen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:65.2pt"><span
                    lang="SV"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"
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                        lang="SV">Från:</span></b><span lang="SV"> <a
                        href="mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com</a>
                      <<a
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                      <b>För </b>Alexander Perkins<br>
                      <b>Skickat:</b> den 12 mars 2021 01:23<br>
                      <b>Till:</b> <a
                        href="mailto:asterisk-users@lists.digium.com"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">asterisk-users@lists.digium.com</a><br>
                      <b>Ämne:</b> Re: [asterisk-users] STIR/SHAKEN<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:130.4pt"><span
                    lang="SV"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:130.4pt"><span
                      lang="SV">Hi Jeff.  What exactly do you mean by
                      the 'inbound piece'?  I've spent quite a lot of
                      time with the folks at TILTX understanding the
                      framework; but I am not exactly sure what you mean
                      by the 'inbound piece.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:130.4pt"><span
                        lang="SV"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:130.4pt"><span
                        lang="SV">Greg/Doug, like many folks here, we
                        use LCR.  So, the terminating carrier is not
                        necessarily the one that issued us the telephone
                        numbers.  So, they will not sign it or simply
                        cannot sign it.  Remember that a very limited
                        number of companies can actually sign the calls;
                        the rest have to buy it from these 'Service
                        Providers'.  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:130.4pt"><span
                        lang="SV"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:130.4pt"><span
                        lang="SV">And there is another situation - the
                        company you purchase your numbers from and the
                        company you place your calls through may be
                        different and both may not be able to sign your
                        calls.  Again, a very limited number of service
                        providers that can actually sign your calls.  So
                        what do you do in that scenario?  You have to
                        find a Service Provider that can:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:130.4pt"><span
                        lang="SV"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:130.4pt"><span
                        lang="SV">1.  Verify you own that telephone
                        number(s).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:130.4pt"><span
                        lang="SV">2.  Sign your calls.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:130.4pt"><span
                        lang="SV">3.  Provide you with the technical
                        means to do so.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:130.4pt"><span
                        lang="SV"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:130.4pt"><span
                        lang="SV">So, that's that...  I hope this makes
                        sense.  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"
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                        lang="SV"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:130.4pt"><span
                        lang="SV">Alex<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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