<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><br><div><div>On Oct 22, 2014, at 2:13 PM, Scott Griepentrog <<a href="mailto:sgriepentrog@digium.com">sgriepentrog@digium.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(102,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">> is asterisk abandoning the dial plan?</span><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(102,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, sans-serif">It's clear that there is a desire to have a way of running Asterisk with little or no dialplan. While currently there is no way to abandon the dialplan as you point out, that could actually happen, someday, many years and versions from now. But even then I would expect there could be a loadable module to add dialplan support for those who still need it, where the dependencies on dialplan have since been removed from the core.</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>There has to be some more justification for such a profound change to a mature product interface than some vague desire by unknown persons who know best for the entire Asterisk community. </div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, sans-serif">So, to answer your question, yes, and no.</font></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Paul Albrecht <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:palbrecht@glccom.com" target="_blank">palbrecht@glccom.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><br><div><span class=""><div>On Oct 22, 2014, at 11:31 AM, Matthew Jordan <<a href="mailto:mjordan@digium.com" target="_blank">mjordan@digium.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Paul Albrecht <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:palbrecht@glccom.com" target="_blank">palbrecht@glccom.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span><br>
On Oct 22, 2014, at 10:33 AM, Joshua Colp <<a href="mailto:jcolp@digium.com" target="_blank">jcolp@digium.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Paul Albrecht wrote:<br>
>> Really? Shouldn’t something this major affecting the entire Asterisk<br>
>> community get discussed on the lists? Any idea what Leif is talking<br>
>> about when he says the community is in transition, moving from dial<br>
>> plan model to external control.<br>
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> It was something Ben Klang brought up and wanted to talk about - it's<br>
> not something that has been decided 'nor does anyone know what the<br>
> future entails. Any further discussions will naturally occur on the<br>
> mailing list and in fact some things have explicit action items to bring<br>
> them up on here.<br>
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</span>The suggestion that Asterisk should consider deprecating AMI/AGI is “crazy talk.” It doesn’t merit discussion and shouldn’t be on the agenda in the first place. It’s completely impractical and can never happen. Moreover, Leif seems to think we (the asterisk community) are in transition. What does that mean? Are we abandoning the dial plan? Seriously? That’s never gonna happen either. ARI isn’t easier to use than dial plan scripting. I guess one could hope that "what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas”, but I don’t think the Asterisk community has that kind of luck.<br>
<div><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Just because someone decided to bring up a radical idea does not mean we refuse to discuss it.<br><br></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>So you agree that deprecating AMI/AGI is “crazy talk” but you’ll discuss it because of your open-mindedness?</div><span class=""><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">This is an open source project. Communication is done in an open, transparent manner. People should feel like they can bring up interesting, radical, and yes - even crazy - ideas.<br><br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>By the same token, when you propose ideas, you must be prepared for honest criticism and accept it in graciously rather than simply resorting to argument ad hominem. </div><span class=""><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>If you don't like that, you don't have to participate in the discussion.<br></div><div><br></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>You haven’t really responded to the substance of my post, that is, is asterisk abandoning the dial plan?</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><span class=""><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">-- <br><div dir="ltr"><div>Matthew Jordan<br></div><div>Digium, Inc. | Engineering Manager</div><div>445 Jan Davis Drive NW - Huntsville, AL 35806 - USA</div><div>Check us out at: <a href="http://digium.com/" target="_blank">http://digium.com</a> & <a href="http://asterisk.org/" target="_blank">http://asterisk.org</a></div></div>
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