It is just way you represent your self and what kind of customer you get. I have seen customers who buy DIDs from us for calling card have paid upto 10K for installing asterisk and a2billing and they are very happy that there is no limitations on number of calls as per licensing. <br>
<br><br>-Jai Rangi<br><a href="http://www.didforsale.com">www.didforsale.com</a> <br>"Leader in SIP Trunking"<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Danny Nicholas <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:danny@debsinc.com">danny@debsinc.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div link="#000000" vlink="#000000" lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">They would rather pay you $1500 to fix the a2billing install that fellow X charged them $500 for. It isn’t “right”, that’s just the way it is.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com" target="_blank">asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com" target="_blank">asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>C. Savinovich<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 28, 2012 1:17 PM</span></p><div><div class="h5"><br><b>To:</b> Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [asterisk-users] Rate sheet "normalization"<u></u><u></u></div>
</div><p></p></div></div><div><div class="h5"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">>>></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">The "Way to make money" is to help folks use the "open source" items in the most efficient manner</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Nobody wants to pay me $2,000 to install and configure A2billing, which in my view, is a fairly low price for my time. There are people who do that for less than $500. I do know the tricks and formulas of how to make money in calling cards, but go tell the customer, they don't care. I don't care either, I am very busy in my consulting business, but it is unfortunate that the better income source for developers just doesn't exist anymore. I would make much more money if A2billing weren't open source and I would selling copies of my own version of A2billing, probably even developing a better product, definitely with the request that initiated this thread included ;)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Christian Savinovich<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><i><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">VoIP & Telephony Consultant</span></b></i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><a href="tel:646-982-3572" value="+16469823572" target="_blank">646-982-3572</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:6.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">-------- Original Message --------<br>
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Rate sheet "normalization"<br>From: "Danny Nicholas" <<a href="mailto:danny@debsinc.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext">danny@debsinc.com</span></a>><br>
Date: Wed, March 28, 2012 1:41 pm<br>To: "'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion'"<br><<a href="mailto:asterisk-users@lists.digium.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext">asterisk-users@lists.digium.com</span></a>><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">The “Way to make money” is to help folks use the “open source” items in the most efficient manner and to provide “extra value” along the way. Just because you can download Asterisk for “free” doesn’t make it worthless or valuable; it’s what you can do to it (or can’t) that makes it that way.</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com" target="_blank"><u><span style="color:blue">asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com</span></u></a> [<a href="mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com" target="_blank"><u><span style="color:blue">mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com</span></u></a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Don Kelly<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 28, 2012 12:25 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [asterisk-users] Rate sheet "normalization"</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Christian, your signature says you’re a “VoIP and Telephony Consultant.” That implies that your clients pay you for the value you add personally providing services to them. Open source software doesn’t download itself and configure itself appropriately all by itself—there are lots of people needing your assistance.</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><div style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN">--Don</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</div><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com" target="_blank"><u><span style="color:blue">asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com</span></u></a> <a href="mailto:[mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com]" target="_blank"><u><span style="color:blue">[mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com]</span></u></a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>C. Savinovich<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 28, 2012 12:13 PM<br><b>To:</b> Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [asterisk-users] Rate sheet "normalization"</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> </span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">>>>If I can't make money off it, I might as well give it for free.</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> </span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">That's the problem! You can not make money off anything you write because there is an open source version for anything you might want to come up with!</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> </span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Do we all have to have Mark Zuckerberg's genious to make it in this market?... what about an opportunity for the rest of us, normal developers?</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> </span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Christian Savinovich</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><i><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">VoIP & Telephony Consultant</span></b></i><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Rate sheet "normalization"<br>From: Tzafrir Cohen <<a href="mailto:tzafrir.cohen@xorcom.com" target="_blank"><u><span style="color:blue">tzafrir.cohen@xorcom.com</span></u></a>><br>
Date: Wed, March 28, 2012 12:57 pm<br>To: <a href="mailto:asterisk-users@lists.digium.com" target="_blank"><u><span style="color:blue">asterisk-users@lists.digium.com</span></u></a><br><br>On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 07:27:03AM -0700, C. Savinovich wrote:<br>
> I really don't think it is fair for anyone to give out such work for<br>> free. Unfortunately, many people are used to asking for free software<br>> solutions for all their problems. Whatever happened to paying for<br>
> someone else's time and effort?<br><br>If I can't make money off it, I might as well give it for free. Limiting<br>access to the information has its costs as well. If the information is<br>publiclly available, I may actually get some good publicity and some<br>
improvements from others. Not much. But then again it's better than the<br>0 money I would have gotten in the hypothetical case.<br><br>If you can make money off of it, then sure, go ahead.<br><br>-- <br>Tzafrir Cohen<br>
icq#16849755 jabber:<a href="mailto:tzafrir.cohen@xorcom.com" target="_blank"><u><span style="color:blue">tzafrir.cohen@xorcom.com</span></u></a><br><a href="tel:%2B972-50-7952406" value="+972507952406" target="_blank">+972-50-7952406</a> <a href="mailto:tzafrir.cohen@xorcom.com" target="_blank"><u><span style="color:blue">mailto:tzafrir.cohen@xorcom.com</span></u></a><br>
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