<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Be careful, telcos may make the users responsible if they have insecure PBXes...right now they often write off much of the charges.</div><div><br></div><div>But I do agree that there would be a lot less garbage on the net if everyone was liable for their insecurity. Heck, there would be no SIP attacks if everyone's systems were secure - there would be no gain in trying to exploit reasonably unexploitable systems.<br><br>On Nov 1, 2010, at 11:54 AM, jon pounder <<a href="mailto:jonp@inline.net">jonp@inline.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
On 11/01/2010 01:44 PM, Nyamul Hassan wrote:<br>
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I think the only real solution here is to make people take more
responsibility for their actions<br>
- find and punish the actual abusers <br>
- make users liable for damages caused by infected PC's - defaults from
an isp should be everything locked down but with user able to request
more ports being opened at no extra cost, if a user asks for it they
then take on responsibility for the use of that port.<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:AANLkTi=jD3OZKcSDgVciSZxa7BB3X48NpsvuZEriN9cO@mail.gmail.com" type="cite">LOL
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 23:33, Cary Fitch <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:caryf@usawide.net"><a href="mailto:caryf@usawide.net">caryf@usawide.net</a></a>></span>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2" color="navy"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">I was going
to point out a failing of the
attackers, but figured they read the list and don’t need any more tips.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2" color="navy"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Cary</span></font><font face="Arial" size="2" color="navy"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> Fitch</span></font><font face="Arial" size="2" color="navy"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"></span></font></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Zeeshan
Zakaria<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday,
November 01, 2010
12:13 PM</span></font></p>
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<font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [asterisk-users] FW:
Under heavy attack</font>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">And
obviously these attackers read our emails on lists like this and adjust
their
sick strategies accordingly.</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Zeeshan A
Zakaria</span></font></p>
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2010-11-01 12:02 PM,
"Jamie A. Stapleton" <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jstapleton@computer-business.com" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:jstapleton@computer-business.com">jstapleton@computer-business.com</a></a>>
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100? We had a single server over 300.</span></font></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Zeeshan
Zakaria<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday,
October 30, 2010
9:49 PM</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></font></b><font size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Re: [asterisk-users] Under
heavy attack</span></font></p>
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My count has reached 100 for the day. The server serves doesn't serve
international calls anywa...</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3" color="#500050"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(80, 0, 80);">Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at
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No. It seems that opening ...</span></font></p>
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