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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>In Florida some new subdivision developers have sold the
phone/cable/internet rights to a provider. They run fiber to each house and
then have the uplink to provider which isn’t a traditional telco.
You can’t get another provider as satellite dishes are limited in covenants
and restrictions (CCR). I guess you could get GSM or CDMA service from cell
provider or WiMax/LTE. It provides an upfront funding to developer for
sewer/water costs. I’d be curios what battery life they have.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>I know the FCC mandated cell towers have more battery life after
Hurricane Katrina wiped out communications in New Orleans for months.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jonn
Taylor<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 17, 2009 5:09 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [asterisk-users] life safety system and VOIP<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Jon Pounder wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>Don E. Wisdom wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>On 2/17/09 2:05 PM, "Jon Pounder" <a
href="mailto:jonp@inline.net"><jonp@inline.net></a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre> Jeff LaCoursiere wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> > What do you suppose we have as liability if we are asked to<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> install such<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> > systems? Is it the responsibility of the business owner that<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> orders the<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> > system to meet all applicable codes? If (god forbid) someone was<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> hurt in<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> > such a situation and the alarm didn't get passed because of being<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> > delivered by VoIP for whatever reason, does the system installer<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> have any<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> > liability?<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> ><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre> >well here's a question - which is more reliable ?<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >- a single copper line dialed on demand when there is a problem<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >- voip or other internet technology, using internet connections on<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> more<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >than one media (say phone and cable), voip connected to multiple<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> servers<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >in a failover configuration.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre> >its not uncommon for even a house to have multiple internet<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> connections,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >but how many buildings have phone lines that connect back to different<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >CO's and fail over ?<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre> >The best bet if you really care about what you are trying to<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> protect is<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >make sure the message can get out as many ways as possible, whether it<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >be phone, voip, network, cellmodem, etc. Forget what regulations<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >require, no one says you can't go further than the minimum if you<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> want.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre> In a REAL emergency internet/cell is more likely to fail than the<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> phone companys pots network.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> Cable/DSLAM etc only have about 4 hours of battery power. The CO<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> has a entire battery room which will last a whole lot longer. Not<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> to mention that it may stay up longer than your VoIP network. You<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> also have to take into account everything between you& the CO or<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> cable company. If just ONE thing fails you loose voip. Copper is a<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> lot more forgiving & has failover modes versus the phone co’s ATM<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> network or the cable companies “network” (or lack there of)<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre> --Don<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>I don't know if thats really true any more, all the new areas around <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>here have satellite CO's where fibre comes out to a box on the street <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>with some batteries etc and copper runs out from there - great for dsl <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>since its close, but at the mercy of whatever batteries are in there.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<p class=MsoNormal>The dial tone for the phone line still comes from the CO.
The phone companies loop there copper cable in and out of the remote cabinets. <br>
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<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>maybe your alarm needs to report in since there is a fire in your phone <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>equipment - what then ?<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>I have seen every type of media go down or have problems no matter how <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>stable - the only answer is have more than one so you always have a <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>backup. Poles get hit, cables get cut, equipment breaks, its just a fact <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>of life.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<p class=MsoNormal>This is true, that is why most fire panels have to have 2
phone lines.<br>
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<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre> > j<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> ><o:p></o:p></pre><pre> > On Tue, 17 Feb 2009, Jason Aarons (US) wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> ><o:p></o:p></pre><pre> ><o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >><o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <a
href="http://www.iccsafe.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=001650">http://www.iccsafe.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=001650</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >> ;p=1<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >><o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >><o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >> I can't see the Dept Transportation running copper to all the<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> motorist<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >> aid boxes along the highway. I thought most of your alarm panels<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> have<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >> moved to GSM/CDMA backup communications. I'd like to see a fire<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >> marshall not give a permit for having a VoIP ATA or Vonage.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >><o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >><o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >><o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <a
href="http://www.iccsafe.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=001650">http://www.iccsafe.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=001650</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >> ;p=1<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >><o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >> It's permitted in Chapter 8 2002 & 2007 "Alternative Methods of<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >> Communication" and these still have supervision in accordance<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> with Chap<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >> 4 and it's sub-section.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >><o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >> 8.5.2.2* Alternate Methods.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >> 8.5.4 Other Transmission Technologies.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >><o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >> 8.6.2.2* Alternate Methods.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >> 8.6.4 Other Transmission Technologies.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >><o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >> There is nothing specific with regards to voice over internet<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> protocal<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >> and leaves room to add new technology proposals with requirements in<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >> future editions according to A8.5.2.2. or A8.6.2.2 respectively.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >><o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >><o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >> -----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >> From: <a
href="mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com">asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >> [<a
href="mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com">mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com</a>] On Behalf Of Jeff<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >> LaCoursiere<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 3:28 PM<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >> To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >> Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Credit Card processing machines<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >><o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >><o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >><o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >> On Tue, 17 Feb 2009, Jonn Taylor wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >><o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >><o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >>> If you are in the US, ANY life safety system has to be<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> connected to a<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >>> dedicated copper POTS line. VOIP is NOT ok to use for this. It<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> is in<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >>><o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >> the<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >><o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >>> NFPA.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >>><o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >>><o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >> What is the NFPA? Do analog extensions in traditional PBXes count?<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >><o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >> j<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >><o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >> _______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> >> -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <a
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