Hello Rodolfo, <br> I see you have experience with Panasonic, and I have a new challenge of integrating Asterisk in an enterprice where they have a KX-TDE200 without the "VoIP card" so they can' t have voip with the pana-PBX, and that's why they want *, so do you have any advices for me :) ? I need to integrate asterisk and keep the panasonic :( because it is almos new.<br>
<br>Thanks a lot!!!!<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2008/10/17 C F <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:shmaltz@gmail.com">shmaltz@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Rodolfo Alcazar Portillo<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d"><<a href="mailto:rodolfo.alcazar@padep.org.bo">rodolfo.alcazar@padep.org.bo</a>> wrote:<br>
</div><div class="Ih2E3d">> You are argueing with things like "I can do it with panasonic, but it's<br>
> not documented anywhere", "documentation is a mess but not poor", "sorry<br>
> for underestimate your abilities". "Sorry but I do [completely<br>
> understanding Panasonic PBXs]". Not technical. Worst even: that's the<br>
> propietary software culture.<br>
><br>
> Many thanks for your advice, LED's issue was an imprtant feature to keep<br>
> the eye on. I'll stick with asterisk, for many reasons *.<br>
><br>
> Thanks again. Good luck.<br>
><br>
> R<br>
><br>
> * Only one (have more examples): even though I have old pana-PBXs, I<br>
> bought a TDA100 ("new model" as provider offered). Has some SMDR bug,<br>
> CERTIFIED tech tried to upgrade firmware twice, can not, ended<br>
> programming it three times, costs us tens hours of service, until<br>
> guarantee is lost, now works worst as initially: has noise on one line.<br>
> Surely there is a fix (though not documented, as you wrote)...<br>
><br>
<br>
</div>Both the fact tech couldn't update it and the noise indicate the tech<br>
didn't do it right. There is specific well documented procedure how to<br>
do it. The reset precess should take care of both problems.<br>
<div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br>
> ... and bug stills strong as ever.<br>
><br>
> Am Freitag, den 17.10.2008, 00:57 -0400 schrieb C F:<br>
>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 7:25 AM, Rodolfo Alcazar Portillo<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:rodolfo.alcazar@padep.org.bo">rodolfo.alcazar@padep.org.bo</a>> wrote:<br>
>> > Am Mittwoch, den 15.10.2008, 20:51 -0400 schrieb C F:<br>
>> >> Being a Panasonic dealer and having more than 50 Asterisk system in<br>
>> >> production, I can tell you that if this is your first Asterisk<br>
>> >> project, then go with Panasonic, you'll safe yourself lots of<br>
>> >> aggravation and have a happier customer.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > You are completely wrong!<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Last 4 years, I installed/programmed 6 Panasonic (KXTD1232, 3x TA308,<br>
>> > TDA100, TEM824) in our offices.<br>
>><br>
>> TD1232 has been discontinued for at least 5 years. Don't know about<br>
>> the the TA308 since the last and only one I installed was in 1998, but<br>
>> I have not seen them advertised in the last 5 years. Which makes me<br>
>> think they are discontinued as well.<br>
>><br>
>> > Until now, I don't completely understand<br>
>><br>
>> Sorry but I do.<br>
>><br>
>> > them. Their GUI software is really bad. The functions are awfully<br>
>> > limited. Manuals are poor. Mailing lists with helpful people there is<br>
>> > not.<br>
>><br>
>> GUI on the TD is really really bad. Functions are not limited, like<br>
>> you said: "I don't completely understand them". GUI on the TDA is nice<br>
>> and organized. Documentation is a mess but not poor. The main reason<br>
>> being it's translated from Japanise, and they don't explain the theory<br>
>> just the steps.<br>
>> Yes no mailing lists.<br>
>><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Less than a week ago (friday), bought 3FXS, 1FXO with SIP<br>
>> > (sipura/linksys), and KNOW NOTHING ABOUT asterisk. Today, I emulated<br>
>> > almost all features we use (account codes, DISA, own dial plans), and I<br>
>> > can really say: ASTERISK WORKS INCREDIBLE!<br>
>> ><br>
>> > I even programmed an AGI script, which injects a variable to<br>
>> > extensions.conf; on the other hand, that means I can reboot a server<br>
>> > from my cellphone, isn't that incredible?<br>
>><br>
>> I can do that with Panasonic as well, no it's not documented anywhere<br>
>> in Panasonic docs.<br>
>><br>
>> > now, I dont' know how, but 99% I'm sure I can trigger a phonecall when<br>
>> > one server is offline. Only with asterisk. I'm almost sure a Panasonic<br>
>> > can't emulate this features. Maybe with some expensive software.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Then, I'm going to suggest 30 Voip phones, 2 8xFXO digium. I made an<br>
>> > informal presentation yesterday, the people were amused. Thanks the<br>
>> > people (thanks, peru guys) which guided me. Good luck everybody, I'll<br>
>> > keep asking on this list, sorry.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > No more panasonic for me :)<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Newbies, ask how to start.<br>
>><br>
>> Congratulations and good for you. Sorry for underestimating your<br>
>> abilities. I wish you good luck, and if you feel comfortable please go<br>
>> ahead and use Asterisk. But if this is a type of customer that doesn't<br>
>> understand that you are experimenting with them and is not willing to<br>
>> work with you, then don't do it with THEM.<br>
>><br>
>> > --<br>
>> > Rodolfo Alcazar<br>
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>> ><br>
>> ><br>
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