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Well the gun owner will go to jail!<br>
Take a look at your local news.<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Best regards,
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<pre wrap="">On 28 Jun 2007, at 17:42, J. Oquendo wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Anyone running caller id spoofing applications in the USA running
asterisk?
Then it’s time to move them to Canada or similar.
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070627-caller-id-spoofing">http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070627-caller-id-spoofing</a>-
about-to-be-outlawed.html
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<pre wrap="">Why it means nothing...
You're a carrier doing VoIP... Say a managed carrier. You
re-sell trunks. One of those trunks maintains their own PBX.
PBX admin decides to spoof out and is using a proxy say in
India. Hell make it Tor for that matter. What's to prosecute?
Prove it happened from where you say it did - remember the
burden is on the prosecution.
Now as the carrier (me) first thing I'm going to do is track
down which trunk it came from... Then go to that client...
So what happens if say the client was legitimately "owned"
and had various "proxied" addresses committing toll fraud.
Analogy... Gun dealer sells a .45 to an authorized gun
buyer. Gun owner leaves his gun at home. Someone breaks into
his home, cracks his gun safe, uses his gun for a crime,
re-enters and places the gun back in the safe. Now its
known it wasn't the gun owner because he was witnessed by
the court system and recorded say at jury duty... What do
you do, prosecute him? For what? Negligence?
It would be humorous to see how this plays out. To me its
more or less "voting time let's sign pretend laws for
brownie points"
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The situation here in the UK is that the folks who interconnect to
the PSTN have to validate that you own/control the number you
are sending via IAX or SIP. We had a problem where an internal id was
not
getting overwritten with a valid PSTN number, one of our suppliers
set a default caller-id and another rejected the calls.
The process is annoying, but it works fine, you have to either
use callerids of DIDs you have bought from the same ITSP
or fax them a telco bill indicating your rights to that number.
Tim Panton
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.mexuar.net">www.mexuar.net</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.westhawk.co.uk/">www.westhawk.co.uk/</a>
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