<div>actually Rich, not to be picky or anything, but your first paragraph is backwards. <br> </div>
<div>There are some providers that allow you to originate calls to the <br>US/World pstn network via their facilities, but do not provide any way <br>for the US/World to call you from the pstn network. (eg, Origination <br>
only provider.)<br> </div>
<div>That's a termination only provider which allows you to terminate calls.</div>
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<div>otherwise, very informative..</div>
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<div>-yair</div>
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<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 9/10/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Christopher Corn</b> <<a href="mailto:christopher_corn@yahoo.com">christopher_corn@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:</span>
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<div>thanks for the verbose explanation!</div>
<div><span class="q"><br><br><b><i>Rich Adamson <<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:radamson@routers.com" target="_blank">radamson@routers.com</a>></i></b> wrote: </span></div>
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<div><span class="q">Christopher Corn wrote:<br>> can someone please explain the differnces to me???<br>> <br>> I have an asterisk system im setting up for a small office (4 or 5 <br>> phones) and as im looking for a voip provider, i find that voip
<br>> providers generally have unlimited plans, and those that offer sip <br>> origination and termination get charged for the minute, for their <br>> outgoing and incoming calls.<br>> <br>> is there a difference in the backend architecture here? if so, what? or
<br>> is this is just a difference in marketing terms and setup?<br>> <br>> for example, <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://www.broadvoice.com/" target="_blank">http://www.broadvoice.com
</a> offers an unlimited plan in the <br>> US for calls, though they never use the term sip origination and <br>> termination. they say their systems also supports asterisk. <br>> <br>> yet <br>> <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://www.bandwidth.com/content/enterprise?page=voice_services_origination_termination&campaignId=701300000000JBJ" target="_blank">
http://www.bandwidth.com/content/enterprise?page=voice_services_origination_termination&campaignId=701300000000JBJ</a> <br></span></div>
<div><span class="e" id="q_10d9986f07e60951_4">> calls <br>> it sip origination and termination<br>> <br>> any info is appreciated! thanks!<br><br>I'll take a stab at this...<br><br>There are some providers that allow you to originate calls to the
<br>US/World pstn network via their facilities, but do not provide any way <br>for the US/World to call you from the pstn network. (eg, Origination <br>only provider.)<br><br>There are many providers that do the above, but also will assign you a
<br>normal pstn telephone number allowing the US/World pstn users to call <br>you (via sip, iax, etc). (eg, Origination and Termination provider.)<br><br>The back end differences for the providers essentially amounts to them
<br>having to purchase multiple T1's, obtain an allocation of pstn telephone <br>numbers, and establish a dialplan to support calls from the pstn <br>network. The architecture for origination-only verses origination plus
<br>termination is the same; the "implementation" is different for one <br>verses the other.<br><br>For the most part, there are no providers that truly provide "unlimited <br>service". The majority include words in fine print that impose some sort
<br>of limit on their so called unlimited service. For example, some will <br>say things like their unlimited service provides 2500 minutes of use; <br>call volumes that exceed 2500 minutes will be billed at $0.02/minute.
<br>Got to read the fine print.<br><br>From an architectural perspective, those providers that suggest they <br>have unlimited service plans also impose a limit on how many <br>simultaneous calls are allowed. The majority of these have a limit of
<br>one, two, or some very small number of simultaneous calls. There way of <br>limiting usage since they don't really want you to use up more then <br>their stated fine-print usage.<br><br>Those providers that sell their services based on a cost per minute (as
<br>opposed to unlimited plan) do not typically limit the number of <br>simultaneous calls. They want you to use as many minutes as possible, so <br>why would they try to limit the number of simultaneous calls?<br><br>To get the best deal possible (from any provider) you need to come up
<br>with a reasonably accurate estimate of the number of minutes of incoming <br>and outgoing calls that "you" are going to make. Then, compare providers <br>to see which ones cost the least in terms of your requirements. Keep in
<br>mind the higher your call volumes, the more competitive the providers <br>are. In other words, if your needs suggest 1,000,000 minutes of use per <br>month (incoming and outgoing), you should be able to find providers that
<br>will charge you something like $0.012 per minute. (Stated a little <br>differently, the majority of service providers have other unpublished <br>plans that are discounted based on your expected level of usage.)<br><br>
Most providers are trying to pattern their plans based on how well the <br>Cell providers have done in the past. You and I typically sign up for <br>xxxx minutes of cell phone usage, but don't actually use all of those <br>
minutes. What's our "real" cost per minute in this case? And, how often <br>do we make useless cell phone calls because we have "free" minutes left?<br><br>_______________________________________________
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