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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Because the Telco is government owned.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>They are the PSTN, so only they can route and
charge for PSTN calls.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Making a call from an Indian office to a US office
over VOIP is legal.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Forwarding a PSTN call over that same VOIP trunk is
illegal.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><BR>-- <BR>-- <BR>Steven</DIV>
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<DIV>"Brandon Galbraith" <<A
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wrote in message <A
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my ignorance, but why does India institute that
policy?<BR><BR>-brandon<BR><BR>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 9/8/06, <B class=gmail_sendername>Steven</B>
<<A href="mailto:asterisk@tescogroup.com"> asterisk@tescogroup.com</A>>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Even in India, you can use VOIP for overseas
calls coming from your own company.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>You just can't sell services that allow people
to call a PSTN number and then have their call sent over VOIP to another
location.</FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=e id=q_10d8f07231c2ef00_3>The biggest problem with your
argument is that VoIP is not illegal anywhere. Voice over _internet_ is, but
voice over the Internet protocol is not. Anyone in China is free to setup
Asterisk to use within their offices. There's nothing illegal about it. It's
using VoIP, but it's not transmitting it outside of your office. It's the
calls that leave your office that matter... They're the ones that
governments can tax. <BR><BR>...And if what Mark Spencer is doing isn't
illegal, your post it most certainly OT... And definitely flame bait. Why
troll about the US? There's US hating forums in a lot of places, go post
your rants there.<BR><BR>Alex<BR><BR>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 9/8/06, <B class=gmail_sendername>Dean
Collins</B> <<A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:Dean@collins.net.pr" target=_blank>Dean@collins.net.pr</A>>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">Yes
I am aware he is the second executive to be arrested......the first<BR>is
still yet to be charged and is still awaiting trial and has fallen<BR>off
the face of the general media which is why I'm 'motivated' to
draw<BR>attention and outrage to this second case.<BR><BR>Yes you are
right it does belong off this list but with so many people<BR>on this list
doing international business on the internet (including<BR>yourself by the
looks of your own voip carrier website). <BR><BR>So when someone from
China places an order on your website for a voip<BR>service, you agree
that it would be ok for the Chinese government to let<BR>the Chinese
customer go free but for them to arrest you and any other <BR>directors
muWare?<BR><BR>(also lets not forget that the WTO has already ruled that
USA government<BR>is in breach with their court case back in
March).<BR><BR>I'm very curious about your thoughts or will you prefer to
stick your <BR>head in the sand and pretend that the USA lives in a bubble
on the<BR>planet earth and would prefer that Walmart not do
business<BR>internationally or that the Ford motor car you drive not use
Australian<BR>steel etc etc.
<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Cheers,<BR><BR>Dean<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>>
-----Original Message-----<BR>> From: <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com"
target=_blank>asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com</A> [mailto:<A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:asterisk-users-" target=_blank> asterisk-users-</A><BR>>
<A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:bounces@lists.digium.com"
target=_blank>bounces@lists.digium.com</A>] On Behalf Of Jay Milk<BR>>
Sent: Friday, 8 September 2006 1:22 PM<BR>> To: Asterisk Users Mailing
List - Non-Commercial Discussion <BR>> Subject: Re: {Fraud?} RE:
[asterisk-users] FW: Peter Dicks Chairman<BR>ofSportingbet<BR>> PLC
isarrested at JFK!!<BR>><BR>> Why don't you keep political diatribe
to your blog? This is OT, and<BR>> quite frankly it displays that you
have less than perfect grasp on <BR>reality.<BR>> Mark Spencer makes a
software product that is perfectly legal to use<BR>> anywhere in the
world, even in India (as long as it stays within a<BR>> building and
used as a PBX only). It's the user's responsibility to <BR>> understand
and follow local law in utilizing this software. By the<BR>same<BR>>
token, a vehicle is legal to use for most, but it becomes a
weapon<BR>when<BR>> you intentionally or neglectfully run someone over.
<BR>> Peter Dicks was operating a business that was offering
certain<BR>services<BR>> that are illegal in the place where he offered
them. If he was<BR>arrested<BR>> the moment he entered the US, then
this was investigated before, and <BR>he<BR>> was asked to cease
offering these illegal services in the US, but has<BR>> refused to do
so -- if you followed the news as enthusiastically as<BR>you<BR>> post
OT messages, then you would have realized that Dicks was the <BR>>
*second* executive that was arrested. This should have come as no<BR>>
surprise to Dicks or his lawyers.<BR>> So, now we're seeing the guy not
as a clueless tourist, but a<BR>> law-defying visitor. He's done
something that is illegal, has refused <BR>to<BR>> stop, and was dumb
enough to step into the jurisdiction of his crime.<BR>Is<BR>> there a
problem with that? Because if there is, you need to start<BR>>
defending Columbian drug-lords and terrorists, too. <BR>> This is
fulfills my quote of OT posts for the day. Just had to say<BR>>
something in the face of such obvious stupidity.<BR>><BR>> Dean
Collins wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> > Exactly so why aren't they trying
to arrest the 50 million people in <BR>> > the USA who have gambled
online?<BR>> ><BR>> > Mark (as far as I know) isn't actively
checking with asterisk users<BR>> > for what country they are in so
therefore in the reciprocal eyes of <BR>> > the indian government he
is similarly breaking the law.<BR>> ><BR>> > Basically what
the USA government is charging Peter Dicks with is<BR>not<BR>> >
being a global policeman to enforce a USA law (which the WTO has <BR>>
> already ruled is illegal back in March<BR>> > <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="http://www.internetnews.com/ec-news/article.php/3434111"
target=_blank>http://www.internetnews.com/ec-news/article.php/3434111</A>
).<BR>> ><BR>> > The USA government can't enforce it's
principals on the rest of the <BR>> > world otherwise they are no
better than the terrorists who are<BR>trying<BR>> > to impose Sharia
Law on the world.<BR>> ><BR>> > I'm trying terribly not to
take this discussion any further Off <BR>Topic<BR>> > but
realistically we live in a global society and the USA is<BR>> >
overstepping it's limits on international trade here. I appreciate<BR>>
> this isn't the best forum for it but this has much wider
<BR>ramifications<BR>> > for those of us who do business
internationally in and with the USA.<BR>> ><BR>> >
Cheers,<BR>> ><BR>> > Dean<BR>> ><BR>>
><BR>------------------------------------------------------------------------
<BR>> ><BR>> > *From:* <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com"
target=_blank>asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com</A><BR>> >
[mailto:<A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com"
target=_blank>asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com </A>] *On Behalf Of
*Alex<BR>Robar<BR>> > *Sent:* Friday, 8 September 2006 12:45
PM<BR>> > *To:* Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial
Discussion<BR>> > *Subject:* Re: [asterisk-users] FW: Peter Dicks
Chairman of <BR>> > Sportingbet PLC isarrested at JFK!!<BR>>
><BR>> > The guy was arrested because he was conciously allowing
US citizens<BR>to<BR>> > gamble online, something illegal in the US
at this point. He ran a <BR>> > business who's sole profit source
came from this illegal activity.<BR>> > Spencer is an entirely
different situation. He's not running a<BR>> > business in which he
provides VoIP to places where it is illegal. <BR>He's<BR>> > running
a business the develops software that enables VoIP...<BR>There's<BR>>
> a big difference there. If someone takes the software and uses it
in<BR>a<BR>> > place where VoIP is illegal, that does not make
Spencer responsible. <BR>> > Think of it along the lines of
BitTorrent software. The software<BR>isn't<BR>> > illegal - it has
valid uses - but it _could_ be used for something<BR>> > illegal.
All that means is that the user of the software has <BR>commited<BR>>
> a crime; Not the developer.<BR>> ><BR>> > Alex<BR>>
><BR>>
><BR>------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>>
><BR>> > *From:* Dean Collins <BR>>
> *Sent:* Friday, 8 September 2006 10:22
AM<BR>> > *To:* 'Asterisk Users Mailing List
- Non-Commercial Discussion'<BR>> >
*Subject:* FW: Peter Dicks Chairman of Sportingbet PLC is<BR>arrested
<BR>> > at JFK!!<BR>> ><BR>>
> I'm sending this to the asterisk list -
consciously knowing it<BR>> > will piss some
people off but this is the *most important<BR>business<BR>>
> issue of the day* for anyone doing business
in or with a US <BR>company.<BR>> ><BR>>
> Oh and before anyone on this list thinks of
calling this OT -<BR>how<BR>> > about Mark
Spencer being arrested while travelling in a country<BR>>
> like India or the Middle East that has banned
VOIP services <BR>(which<BR>> > is still
illegal because they cant tax it of course).<BR>> ><BR>>
> I don't know what you are going to be able to
do with this<BR>> > information but this has
to be discussed as it affect the future <BR>>
> of international commerce when dealing with
the USA.<BR>> ><BR>> > Best
intentions,<BR>> ><BR>> > Dean<BR>>
><BR>>
><BR>------------------------------------------------------------------------
<BR>> ><BR>> > *From:* Dean
Collins<BR>> > *Sent:* Friday, 8 September
2006 10:15 AM<BR>> > *Subject:* Peter Dicks
Chairman of Sportingbet PLC is arrested<BR>at<BR>>
> JFK!!<BR>> ><BR>>
> This is bullshit.<BR>> ><BR>>
> I don't know how to effectively express my
outrage over this<BR>> > action by the US
government.<BR>> ><BR>> > Check out
these links for background info; <BR>> ><BR>>
> <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="http://www.nytimes.com" target=_blank>www.nytimes.com</A><BR>>
><BR>><BR><<A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/08/technology/08gamble.html?_r=1&oref=sl"
target=_blank>http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/08/technology/08gamble.html?_r=1&oref=sl
</A><BR>ogin<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>>
> <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="http://money.cnn.com" target=_blank>money.cnn.com</A><BR>>
><BR>><BR><<A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="http://money.cnn.com/2006/09/08/news/international/bc.leisure.sportingb"
target=_blank>http://money.cnn.com/2006/09/08/news/international/bc.leisure.sportingb
</A><BR>et.reut/?p<BR>> ostversion=2006090808><BR>> ><BR>>
> <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="http://today.reuters.co.uk"
target=_blank>today.reuters.co.uk</A><BR>> ><BR>><BR><<A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlenews.aspx?type=internetNews&stor"
target=_blank>
http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlenews.aspx?type=internetNews&stor</A><BR>yID=200<BR>>
6-09-07T160138Z_01_N07242747_RTRIDST_0_OUKIN-UK-LEISURE-<BR>>
SPORTINGBET-DICKS.XML><BR>> ><BR>>
> <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="http://www.businessweek.com"
target=_blank>www.businessweek.com</A><BR>> ><BR>><BR><<A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D8K02SM85.htm?sub=apn_euro"
target=_blank>http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D8K02SM85.htm?sub=apn_euro
</A><BR>> _up&chan=gb> <BR>> ><BR>>
> So basically we have a UK citizen, operating
a UK business<BR>> > (<A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="http://sportingbetplc.com" target=_blank>sportingbetplc.com</A>
board)<BR>> ><BR>><BR><<A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="http://www.sportingbetplc.com/pages/15/Our+Board.stm?PHPSESSID=15ba3131"
target=_blank>
http://www.sportingbetplc.com/pages/15/Our+Board.stm?PHPSESSID=15ba3131</A><BR>>
b6035fc855dabdde5c19b246><BR>> > who the
moment he steps foot into the USA is arrested, not for<BR>>
> crimes he committed but for crimes committted
by US citizens. <BR>> ><BR>> > Oh and
arrested under ambiguous Louisiana law, that defines all<BR>>
> interstate gaming as illegal.<BR>>
><BR>> > I cant wait for the chairman of
the NY Times to be arrested on a <BR>> >
visit to China because chinese citizens were reading copies
of<BR>the<BR>> > NY Times on the
internet.<BR>> ><BR>> > Oh and as for
visiting 'unfriendly' countries, how about if<BR>Castro<BR>>
> started shooting american tourists he found
in Cuba for 'crimes<BR>of<BR>> > treason' in
carrying US dollars in their wallets?<BR>> ><BR>>
> This is insane America. When are you going to
wake up and begin <BR>to<BR>> > be a good
'world citizen'?<BR>> ><BR>> > You
cant just arrest people for 'crimes against the state' that<BR>>
> dont even occur in your country........isn't
that what<BR>terrorists <BR>> > do? Impose
their will against the world at large.<BR>> ><BR>>
> I keep hoping I will wake up and the insanity
will end? it's<BR>like<BR>> > a bad
dream.<BR>> > It's getting hard to tell who
is the bad guys anymore. <BR>> ><BR>> ><BR><A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="http://deancollinsblog.blogspot.com/2006/09/peter-dicks-chairman-of-"
target=_blank>http://deancollinsblog.blogspot.com/2006/09/peter-dicks-chairman-of-
</A><BR>> sportingbet.html<BR>> ><BR>>
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