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Ok you guys enough. The debate will go on forever. The only thing
that seperates the boys from the men in this world is marketing. Beta
vs VHS. <br>
Is Unix is better then Windows - Yes, but it doesn't matter. We live
in a Windows world because Microsoft is the greatest marketing company
on the planet! They also do somethng nobody else does. Tools Tools
Tools. They made it easy to program on their system. If Unix and
Lenux had the or can create the ease of use software tools, you will
see the end of Microsoft. That is the key. Get the tools in the hands
of all the programmers. A tool like VB on unix would just kill. <br>
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trixter <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.0xdecafbad.com">http://www.0xdecafbad.com</a> wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap="">On Wed, 2005-04-20 at 09:36 -0400, Walt Reed wrote:
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<pre wrap="">as a whole. I enjoy cheap computers, if it were not for microsoft
creating windows, making computers easier to use for everyone, the mass
production and highly competitive hardware market would not exist. If
that didnt happen the $300 computer of today would likely not exist, and
if it did it would cost more like computers did 20 years ago, $2000+ for
a bare system.
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Um, that's total bullshit. Low computer prices and "ease of use" would have
existed if MS was never around. You completely dismiss billions of man
hours of hard work by those outside MS making advances in hardware and
software around the world. To make a statement like that, you show a
total lack of knowledge of the industry.
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and hoiw many operating systems were so popular during the 80s and early
90s? What operating system shipped on almost every computer during that
period?
I dont think I lack understanding of the industry I think that I
remember clearly that windows was shipped on that, I think that whether
or not it resulted in an anti-trust conviction microsoft did make it
easier for people to use computers and thus more sold.
I am sorry that you are so bigioted to think that other operating
systems dominated the market during that period, and cant accept that
windows was the #1 operating system by a clear margin in terms of
installed systems.
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<pre wrap="">I have worked for over 10 years in the software development industry and
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<pre wrap="">Then you entered the industry far too late to know the real history of
computing, have read too many MS revisionist history books, or were
hiding under a rock.
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I started using computers in 1976. I dont think I entered too late. As
for reading MS revisionist history books, no but I think that you have
been readiung too many anti-MS revisionist history books. The
popularity of a personal computer in the home was not made with cp/m it
was not made with coherent (a unix for the pc before linux was around).
It was not made by os/2, it was not made by any mac. Computers did not
fully become so incredibly popular until windows. look at any
historical sales reports and see when the numbers started increasing
dramatically.
Recall all the software shops that sold software, why was it that at
least 90% was for windows and the remaining 10% for all other operating
systems for a great many years? Why did all the computer shows that
were oh so popular during that period sell mostly for the wintel
platform?
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<pre wrap="">For example, The Amiga for example had a wonderful OS, great
multi-tasking, awesome windowing interface etc. over 10 years before MS
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but it never sold as well. You fail to understand that its sales that
drove the cost down. os/2 was better than windows at multitasking too,
but again it didnt sell so well. Granted there was evilness by
microsoft that resulted in antitrust convictions over some of that but
you just proved how clueless you are.
You know nothing if you try to bring up the amiga when we are talking
about sales. And you try to say that I dont know what I am talking
about?
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<pre wrap="">(some would argue longer.) Comodore didn't have a chance against the
mighty combo of IBM, MS, Compaq. and other x86 hardware and software
vendors in the business world (the Amiga was originally designed as a
game machine and could never escape the stigma AND had the same
bone-headed single hardware source issue that Apple has. Poor management
/ marketing also contributed to the companies death.) (Speaking of
Apple, it boggles the mind that it took them over 15 years to add
multi-tasking to their product line - and yes, I am dismissing their
prior failed unix attempt.)
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<pre wrap=""><!---->You make excuses for the fact that they didnt sell as well as microsoft,
and still try to insist that I dont know what I am talking about when I
say that MS sold more units which drove the cost down (I specifically
made that point in my previous email).
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<pre wrap="">MS has no effective competition due to their illegal business practices,
killing off alternatives (BeOS is a recent example) by pressuring large ISV's
to only write for the Windows OS, restrictive contracts with hardware
vendors, and other sleezy tactics. They effectivly killed Java on the
desktop. They continue with a powerful FUD campaign against Linux,
Apple, Firefox, etc. I could go on, and on, and on.
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<pre wrap=""><!---->Yes and you would be proving me right and that you have no clue when you
say I am wrong. Thanks for that.
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<pre wrap="">publicly available documentation is a good thing.) Unfortunately the
reality of business means that we have to deal with this horrible
corporation and their aweful software. MS and their single platform (for
servers and desktop anyway) means that we are still saddled with the
horrible x86 architecture, the interrupt structure, bus, bios, etc.
(essentially most everything about a PC.) By the way, that architecture
is why it's so hard to make reliable hardware, why we need an external
card to get a reliable timer device, etc.
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Deal with them? You started this out by saying I was wrong that MS
wasnt that big of a coimpany. Why would you have to deal with them.
Oh I get it you are clueless and just wanted to tell me I am wrong
becuase I said something good about MS and that affects your religion.
My mistake I wont offend your religion anymore, even though as you
pointed out MS sold more units, and it was their operating system
(windows specifically) that made it easier for a great many people to
use computers, and as a result more systems sold which makes hardware
cheaper. I do love cheap hardware.
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<pre wrap="">Before you spout off about how great MS has been to the industry, maybe
you should learn a little about that industry and it's history first,
M-kay?
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I learned from you that I am right and you are nothing more than a bigot
who cant form a coherent argument to support his side, but can form one
to support the person he called an idiot.
Since you have proven your IQ is 3 points below a rock, I shall add you
to my idiots filter. You only exist to save your religion, enter a holy
war about operating systems and insist that everyone is wrong if they
offend your religion then supply facts that they are right.
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