[asterisk-users] World Cheapest Predictive Dialer!

[Mark Hamilton]

I'm certainly learning a lot from this thread, especially from Steve Totaro.
If only this was OT, I'd love to see a big fat discussion go on regarding
this.

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[mailto:asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Steve Totaro
Sent: June 13, 2008 9:42 AM
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Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] World Cheapest Predictive Dialer!

That can be avoided by simply distancing yourself through various
corporate shell games.  That's how the big boys do it.

A good corporate lawyer can advise how to do this, but basically you
setup a corporation that has no real assets that does business with
the overseas company directly.  Then you setup another totally
separate corporation that uses the first corporation strictly as a
"vendor".

Let them fine and and subsequently bankrupt the first corporation,
with no assets, it is hard to get blood from a stone.

Then the second corporation just needs to find a new "vendor".

It is similar to forming a corporation that owns your house and
generates revenue from you paying "rent" (mortgage) payments.  It is
obviously a wash but your house is protected from any claims against
you personally since it is owned by a total legally separate corporate
entity.

Thanks,
Steve T

On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Matt Florell <astmattf at gmail.com> wrote:
> You are correct, a company that is outside of the USA does not fall
> under the laws of the USA. I said that myself.
>
> I also said that a company that is INSIDE of the USA or has operations
> INSIDE of the USA is subject to the laws of the USA.
>
> This includes companies that are based in the USA that use lead
> generation company that are outside of the USA. The company that is
> doing lead generation outside of the USA will not get shut down.
>
> The company that they are doing lead generation for INSIDE of the USA
> can get shut down for the activities of the company OUTSIDE of the USA
> because they are acting on their behalf.
>
> This can still be a problem for the non-USA company because they might
> not get paid for their lead generation activities if the USA-based
> client of theirs is shut down.
>
> There are many instances of this happening. A recent one was last year
> where a company called Ameriquest was fined $1 million for violation
> of the DNC through it's affiliates, some of which were off-shore lead
> generation companies. The company shut down because of this fine.
>
> MATT---
>
>
> On 6/13/08, Dean Collins <Dean at cognation.net> wrote:
>>
>>  >"A large portion of these companies are doing lead-generation for
>>  >USA-based companies, and over the years a lot of those USA-based
>>  >companies have been shut down for the activities of their lead
>>  >suppliers.
>>
>>  >MATT---"
>>
>>
>>
>> Source please? I'm calling bullshit.
>>
>>  If an incroporated entitiy outside of the USA makes international calls
>>  into the USA they do not fall under this law regardless of the purpose
>>  of the calls.
>>
>>
>>  Cheers,
>>
>> Dean
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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