Fwd: [asterisk-users] Some queries on g729 license.

[C F]

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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Al Bochter <Al.Bochter at bochterservices.com>
Date: Jan 8, 2007 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Some queries on g729 license.
To: shmaltz at gmail.com


(C)UNT (F)UCK!

THIS IS OFF THE LIST

FUCK YOU ASSHOLE!!!!!
GET A JOB AND STOP LIVING OFF MY TAXES

YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING
TRY AND STAY ON THE POINT.

YOU ARE NOW BLOCKED

I AM NOT GOING TO DEAL WITH JACKASSES LIKE YOU....

GOOD BYE

Best regards,

Al Bochter
Bochter Services
http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email



C F wrote:

> When I first noticed that this thread has over 20 messages i was sure
> it is interesting. When I read it I realized that I havn't noticed
> that Al Bochter has posted to it.
>
> Plain old stuff, just someone making sure to put a new twist on it.
>
> On 1/8/07, Juan Jose Comellas <juanjo at comellas.com.ar> wrote:
>
>> The Intel IPP-based G.729 codec does work with AMD processors out of
>> the box,
>> both with the 32 bit and 64 bit versions.
>>
>>
>> On Mon January 8 2007 19:31, Zoa wrote:
>> > I did some tests a long time ago and the speed was roughly the
>> same. ( I
>> > think digium's was slightly faster).
>> > I think the IPP version also doesn't work on AMD out of the box.
>> >
>> > It's just 10$ a channel, that's not even worth the hassle of trying
>> > something else.
>> >
>> > Joachim
>> >
>> > Al Bochter wrote:
>> > > Matthew
>> > >
>> > > I agree. I only know what I have told by others so I do need this
>> input
>> > >
>> > > I have been told that Digum G729 is a big pain the the butt to get
>> > > working with Asterisk
>> > > and it is very hard on the CPU
>> > >
>> > > Keep in mind I have never used any Ver. of G 729
>> > >
>> > > So tell me what you think.
>> > >
>> > > Best regards,
>> > >
>> > > Al Bochter
>> > > Bochter Services
>> > > http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email
>> > >
>> > > Matthew Rubenstein wrote:
>> > >>     All of which hassle and expense can be avoided by buying a
>> > >> license for
>> > >> Digium's codec, which is tested to work well with Asterisk (and
>> might
>> > >> come with some support). And is pretty cheap per simul "call".
>> > >>
>> > >>     I wonder whether that "per call" means "per codec instance",
>> which
>> > >> could be multiple licenses on a single conference call, where
>> multiple
>> > >> (even if not all) parties are getting de/encoded simultaneously.
>> And
>> > >> whether there are other tools for editing (/mixing/transforming)
>> g729
>> > >> data, in realtime (streams) or not (files), and whether they
>> require a
>> > >> license. Ideally sox or equivalent would work on g729, maybe with a
>> > >> codec plugin.
>> > >>
>> > >> On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 13:23 -0500, Paul wrote:
>> > >>> First point to tackle in any case involving patent, copyright or
>> > >>> trademark infringement is whether or not the infringing party
>> would
>> > >>> have
>> > >>> been qualified to buy any usage rights at all. In a case where you
>> > >>> license the Intel source(read the terms, it's not really that
>> "free"),
>> > >>> you would be applying for a license under some plan that includes
>> > >>> certain minimum payments. Even if you wrote new source from
>> scratch you
>> > >>> would be in the same boat. Last time I looked at the plans, I
>> didn't
>> > >>> see
>> > >>> anything with low minimums. So even if you wrote code from
>> scratch and
>> > >>> never used it on more than 6 channels, you might have done
>> something
>> > >>> that normally requires a large upfront payment. Use $10k as an
>> example.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> In such a case owner of the patent might have an attorney initiate
>> > >>> contact. If you are willing to communicate they might allow you
>> to pay
>> > >>> the minimum and be licensed. If you can't do that, they might
>> offer a
>> > >>> settlement where you stop using the codec and pay them some lesser
>> > >>> amount.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> If the patent holder can easily prove the violation you might
>> as well
>> > >>> try to deal with them and get things settled fast. If you sell
>> or give
>> > >>> away the codec it is easier for them to dig up proof. If you have
>> > >>> unhappy employees that might be the way they hear about the
>> > >>> violation in
>> > >>> the first place.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Important consideration: Bankruptcy law generally excludes debts
>> > >>> created
>> > >>> by things like malicious or criminal acts.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Matthew Rubenstein wrote:
>> > >>>>     As far as I know, the g729 patent requires buying a
>> license to
>> > >>>> operate
>> > >>>> any implementation of it, whether Digium's, Intel's, or any
>> other.
>> > >>>> Digium is set up to collect royalties (perhaps at a favorable
>> rate) as
>> > >>>> part of their license from the patent holder. I don't know
>> about Intel
>> > >>>> or any other. Or what the mechanics are for enforcing the
>> patent on
>> > >>>> someone who operates a codec without a license.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 10:51 -0500, Al Bochter wrote:
>> > >>>>> What about the free open source G729
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Best regards,
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Al Bochter
>> > >>>>> Bochter Services
>> > >>>>> http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Matthew Rubenstein wrote:
>> > >>>>>>     I connect to a PSTN carrier over SIP which requires me to
>> > >>>>>> connect with
>> > >>>>>> a g729 codec. I'm using them for just robocalling: Asterisk
>> server
>> > >>>>>> originates calls which play a prerecorded file. Can I
>> pre-encode
>> > >>>>>> those
>> > >>>>>> stored files in g729 so they don't need to be encoded for each
>> > >>>>>> call? If
>> > >>>>>> so, do I need a g729 license for each call, or just a
>> license for
>> > >>>>>> the
>> > >>>>>> preencoder? If the robocalls accept incoming DTMF, do I need
>> g729
>> > >>>>>> licenses for those calls?
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 04:08 -0700,
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> asterisk-users-request at lists.digium.com wrote:
>> > >>>>>>> Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 13:47:39 +0800
>> > >>>>>>> From: Leo Ann Boon <leo at datvoiz.com>
>> > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Some queries on g729 license.
>> > >>>>>>> To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
>> > >>>>>>>      <asterisk-users at lists.digium.com>
>> > >>>>>>> Message-ID: <45A1DAFB.9070704 at datvoiz.com>
>> > >>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> Xue Liangliang wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>> Hi, all
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> I am a pabx vendor from Singapore. Recently we are going to
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> implement
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> a failover solution for our customers using heartbeat, the
>> > >>>>>>>> asterisk server can failover perfectly, however the g729
>> codec
>> > >>>>>>>> canot work, because it is binded the mac address, we have
>> > >>>>>>>> bought two set of licenses, can you provide us some
>> workaround
>> > >>>>>>>> for this scenario?
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> It shouldn't be a problem if you're only doing IP takeover and
>> > >>>>>>> have bound the licenses to each server separately.  If you're
>> > >>>>>>> sharing the storage, then that could pose a problem.
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> Leo
>> > >>>>>>> DatVoiz Singapore Pte Ltd
>> > >
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