[Asterisk-Users] asterisk newsgrup proposal or phpBB forum

Tue Nov 30 15:58:52 MST 2004

Hey guys, Look at this example www.scubaboard.com It has nothing
to do with Asterisk but is an example of a _very_ high volume
meaasge board that _works_.  It runs on free software, has low
admin overhead.  It allows moderators on a per subject level and
optional authentication.  I have used this system both as a user and I
have installed and tested the software on my system.  It is easy
from both points of view.  Built in search, and even
e-mail subscriptions to threads.  Not much more to ask for.

This list is actually becomming usless do to it's success.  I
doubt I would notice a reply to this posting unless you CC me
off line and remove the  [Asterisk-Users] lable so it doe not
get piled in with 400 other messages.  

I suggest that people here actually try out "scubaboard" even if
you have no interrest in diving.  Check out the photos, for sale
ads, technical topics, regional/geographic forums and how it all
is kept straight and the search feature actually works to find
old threads.  And did I mentione-mail subscriptions to threads

--- Steven Critchfield <critch at basesys.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 2004-11-30 at 15:52 -0600, Joe Greco wrote:
> > > Not everyone has decent access to NNTP either due to firewalls
> coporate
> > > or otherwise 
> > 
> > That's why many news servers allow access on alternate ports.  :-)
> 
> On a proper network firewall, it is deny all, allow these few ports.
> So
> unless you are running NNTP on a port like 80 or 443, it probably
> will
> be blocked. Even then a good admin would have a proxy in place to
> help
> cut down the bandwidth usage and would therefore break NNTP.
> 
> > > or are under a quota due to the amount of illegal activity
> > > that appears there. Add to it the inability to control spam or
> kick an
> > > unruley users if the need arises. NNTP doesn't solve any
> problems, and
> > > phpBB creates a bunch.
> > > 
> > > Better question is why do you feel there needs to be a change?
> > 
> > You've missed some "best of breed" options.
> > 
> > A newsgroup by itself may or may not be useful.  However, either
> way, 
> > USENET (which isn't entirely limited to NNTP, incidentally) has a
> bunch of
> > powerful clients that are designed from the ground up for
> participating in
> > large threaded discussions.  This is a major failing of many mail
> clients.
> > I find it easier to follow large discussions with the text-based
> trn 
> > newsreader than with any graphical mail client I've seen to date -
> bar 
> > none - and trn is old technology.  Just the thread tree view itself
> is so
> > useful, not to mention one-key cruising through the tree nodes.
> 
> Who said mail needs to be graphical? I know a great many people still
> using mutt for their mail and it probably will resemble trn close
> enough
> for your taste. Of course there are plenty of graphical email readers
> that support threaded views. I happen to use evolution with threads
> turned on and enjoy it.
> 
> Your right, threaded trees are great. I love it when there is enough
> people using correct enough software to help keep the information
> correct. Of course we get to the same problem here that not all
> software
> mail or nntp actually puts the in-reply-to or references headers in
> to
> make the tree view work.
> 
> > Many sites gateway various mailing lists into local hierarchies,
> for the
> > explicit purpose of solving some of the problems that "NNTP doesn't
> solve",
> > because the medium was designed to deal with the functional
> equivalent of
> > mailing list traffic from day one.
> 
> Gateway mailing lists to local hierarchies to solve problems that
> hierarchies doesn't solve? Sounds like broken hacks to me. Maybe in
> your
> rush through that sentence your meaning didn't get fully expressed.
> 
> As for the design, like many older technologies, NNTP was designed
> before the unrulely behavior of spammers. While I know there are some
> private nntp servers that enable authentication to protect
> themselves,
> it isn't the norm.  
> 
> > You can avoid some of the problems of public newsgroups by making
> it a one-
> > way gateway, with moderator pointing back at the original list,
> therefore
> > subject to all the normal list posting controls.
> 
> And a limit on what a moderator will be able to handle unless it is a
> program, and then it wouldn't take a moment to get past it. Not that
> email is any more secure.
> 
> > Setting up a one-way gateway isn't too difficult.  Is there
> interest?  I
> > can certainly start one.  We already do all the FreeBSD lists and a
> bunch
> > of other stuff here.
> 
> I belive there has already been one with URL posted in this thread.
> 
> -- 
> Steven Critchfield <critch at basesys.com>
> 
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