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>    1. RE: Re: Most common CODEC (Michael Shuler)
>    2. Re: SIP - Receptionist (George Pajari)
>    3. Re: windows alternitives to Asterisk? (hank)
>    4. RE: windows alternitives to Asterisk? (Michael Devenijn)
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> Message: 1
> From: "Michael Shuler" <mike at bwsys.net>
> To: <asterisk-users at lists.digium.com>
> Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Most common CODEC
> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 02:43:04 -0600
> Organization: BitWise Systems, Inc.
> Reply-To: asterisk-users at lists.digium.com
>
> Yes, that's a "feature" of that box.  Every other IAD/MG is the other way
> around.  The 188 has no problems doing all on both ports.
>
> ----------------------------------------
>
> Michael Shuler, C.E.O.
> BitWise Systems, Inc.
> 1301 W. Pioneer Parkway
> Peoria, IL 61615
> Office: (217) 585-0357
> Cell: (309) 657-6365
> Fax: (309) 213-3500
> E-Mail: mike at bwsys.net
> Customer Service: (877) 976-0711
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: asterisk-users-admin at lists.digium.com
> > [mailto:asterisk-users-admin at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of
> > evgeniy at riscom.net
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 2:24 AM
> > To: asterisk-users at lists.digium.com
> > Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Most common CODEC
> >
> >
> > Michael Shuler writes:
> >
> > > G.729 is just about everywhere.  A lot of boxes use G.723
> > (and/or G.726) too
> > > but G.729 ends up with about the same quality but at a much
> > lower bit rate.
> > > Most inexpensive "hard" phones don't use G.723 because it
> > takes a lot of CPU
> > > power.  G.729 gets better results in the same or less CPU.
> > We always try to
> > > use phones supporting G.729, anything else is just gravy.
> > If you can use
> >
> > but cisco ata 186 (2 channels)
> > can work with only single channel, when using g729 codec ...
> > and can use both channels with g723.
> >
> >
> > > reinvites then you have no need for the G.729 unless you
> > use the IVR, MOH,
> > > etc. features of * where it is dishing out audio.  Even
> > then you have to
> > > consider if its worth it... After all if you are starting
> > hosted VM company
> > > using * then the G.729 is a must, but if you are just using
> > to route calls
> > > between 2 phones that can reinvite then the codec
> > capabilities of * don't
> > > matter.
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------- 
> > >
> > > Michael Shuler, C.E.O.
> > > BitWise Systems, Inc.
> > > 1301 W. Pioneer Parkway
> > > Peoria, IL 61615
> > > Office: (217) 585-0357
> > > Cell: (309) 657-6365
> > > Fax: (309) 213-3500
> > > E-Mail: mike at bwsys.net
> > > Customer Service: (877) 976-0711
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: asterisk-users-admin at lists.digium.com
> > >> [mailto:asterisk-users-admin at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of
> > >> Carlos Chavez
> > >> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 11:11 PM
> > >> To: asterisk-users at lists.digium.com
> > >> Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Most common CODEC
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 23:45:44 -0500, Andrew Kohlsmith wrote
> > >> > > G.729 is the best codec IMHO.  Goto
> > >> > > http://www.packetizer.com/iptel/bandcalc.html to get the
> > >> real scoop.
> > >> >
> > >> > IMO ILBC beats G.729 in terms of quality, especially in
> > >> environments
> > >> > where packet loss can occur.  It's about the same
> > computationally-
> > >> > speaking but it's also royalty-free.
> > >> >
> > >> > GSM is my second choice but it eats quite a bit more
> > bandwidth in
> > >> > comparsion.
> > >> >
> > >> > That packetizer link has no comparisons with any OSS
> > codecs, which
> > >> > is unfortunate because it seems to pass itself off as an
> > >> > authoritative source on bandwidth use in IP telephony.
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>      I am not trying to start a codec war or find out which
> > >> is the best
> > >> protocol.  What I need to know is when I buy a Grandstream
> > >> phone, a Cisco
> > >> phone, a Sippura adaptor or any other hard phone, what codec
> > >> is usually
> > >> supported by all of them.  All of them obviously support
> > >> G.711 but that is not
> > >> the best for use when connecting through the Internet.  Is it
> > >> worthwhile to
> > >> buy G.729 licenses for Asterisk, or is there another codec
> > >> that is wildly
> > >> supported buy most phones?
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Carlos Chavez
> > >> Computer Engineer, CCNA
> > >> Corporativo Lacer S.A. de C.V.
> > >>
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> --__--__--
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 00:55:08 -0800
> From: George Pajari <George.Pajari at NetVoice.ca>
> Organization: NetVoice Communications
> To: willy at yponeinc.com, asterisk-users at lists.digium.com
> Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] SIP - Receptionist
> Reply-To: asterisk-users at lists.digium.com
>
> Willy wrote to the Asterisk users list:
>
> > I am thinking about fork-lift-upgrading a
> > Nortel-Meridian key system...
> > The receptionist, however, is currently used seeing a
> > backlit display - with buttons - attached to her phone -
> > showing all the extensions in the office, and who's has
> > a conversation going etc....
>
>
> Take a look at the new SNOM 220 (http://www.snom.com/snom220_en.php)
> with the Key Expansion Module. You can have up 60 extensions represented
> on dedicated keys. Unfortunately the phones will not be shipping for at
> least another month or two. Which also means we haven't had a chance to
> try them out with Aseterisk yet.
>
> We've got one on order and will let the list know more about how it
> works with Asterisk as soon as we can. If you're in Canada we'd be happy
> to sell you one. If you're in the US, you can contact  SNOM's US
> distributor (Kevin Moroz, kmoroz at abpintl.com) for information.
>
> g.
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 3
> From: "hank" <hank at hanksmith.net>
> To: <asterisk-users at lists.digium.com>
> Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] windows alternitives to Asterisk?
> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 00:57:16 -0800
> Reply-To: asterisk-users at lists.digium.com
>
> let me know when it comes out!!!!!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Devenijn" <Michael.Devenijn at dkma.be>
> To: <asterisk-users at lists.digium.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 12:10 AM
> Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] windows alternitives to Asterisk?
>
>
> I'm working on a "abstraction" toolset for asterisk, some screenshots :
>
> http://www.dkma.be/devenijn/data/tls.jpg
> http://www.dkma.be/devenijn/data/tls1.jpg
> http://www.dkma.be/devenijn/data/tls2.jpg
> http://www.dkma.be/devenijn/data/tls3.jpg
> http://www.dkma.be/devenijn/data/tls4.jpg
>
> some technical details :
> - Fully based on a Postgresql DB (+/- 40 tables)
> - Extensive use of macro's in the extensions.conf
> - some little patches to the asterisk source (additions) to extend the
> manager capability
> - a layer between the manager port and the PGSQL written in C (to prevent
> that each separate client would connect to the manager interface)
> - some AGI scripts (written in C) to fulfill some needs which are not
build
> in asterisk for example :
> redirect through drag&drop.
> - A program (written in C) which extracts all the info from de Pgsql and
> converts it to the needed * conf files upon request
> - goal : >>everything<< works on Win32 clients : configuration, outlook
> integration , panel programs, attendant program ... so we could sell a
> standard box plug it to the PSTN network and the ethernet, install the
> sotware on a W32 client and off they go without the explicit knowledge of
> linux. the sound files (will be uploaded on a FTP on the box and copied to
> the appropriate destination with the some program as one point above
>
> I especially developed these toolset "arround" asterisk, so i do not need
> the take in account the Asterisk license except for the patches which will
> be published.
>
> development status :
> - First tests are positive
> - Working on the last "big" point is the extended (graphical call router
to
> easily design IVR's)
> - Working on a .NET SDK which also is a abstraction.
> - Timing end of march ... but as everybody knows .... it could take some
> more time.
>
> Some personal statements :
> - I know it is not very good to develop for windows but this is the only
way
> for me and for th major Small businesses outside ... and if there are some
> enthousiast to convert it to a linux platform ... go ahead.
> - For the moment it is quit oriented on a combination of ISDN hardware
> (capi.conf) and cisco phones. once this is working without major bugs i
will
> extend it to (IAX.conf ... and other things)
> - My only goal to develop this is to get asterisk on bigger user basis
> - What i regret is the lack of developement of a interface between
asterisk
> and other software (for windows TAPI for example) i asked many times some
> basic questions about the manager interface but nobody seems to be
> interested ! i strongly belief this would be a major break through. but i
do
> not have enough C++ and/or Linux knowledge (and TIME ) to develop these
> features.
>
>
> The sourcecode ???
>
> - Well lets play it tricky ... i'm going to publish all of the code under
> GPL if i see some changes to latest point i mentioned just above. (and
don't
> try to convince me with "ethical" arguments, i'm now trying for 3 years to
> make some "descent" money with integration of open source software and i
see
> it as a win/win operation)
>
>
>
> Just fire me !!!
>
>
>
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: asterisk-users-admin at lists.digium.com namens Tilghman Lesher
> Verzonden: ma 8/03/2004 21:46
> Aan: asterisk-users at lists.digium.com
> CC:
> Onderwerp: Re: [Asterisk-Users] windows alternitives to Asterisk?
>
>
>
> On Monday 08 March 2004 13:59, hank smith wrote:
> > is there a program that I can install on my linux box so I can
> > configure the pbx from the internet from my windows box so I don't
> > have to work with config files?
>
> In a word, no.  There are a few GUI applications in the process of
> being developed, but most of them are a substitute only for using an
> editor on the Linux machine, not a full-fledged abstraction from the
> configuration.
>
> -Tilghman
>
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> Message: 4
> Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] windows alternitives to Asterisk?
> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 10:09:50 +0100
> From: "Michael Devenijn" <Michael.Devenijn at dkma.be>
> To: <asterisk-users at lists.digium.com>
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> - The whole toolset running on W32 is already ODBC (in fact it's the =
> only way ... )
> - Once i reach stabilty i will try to convert it to fully DB independant =
>
> - The reloading thing ... i leave it to others ... once it is possible =
> i'll make things executable
> =20
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----=20
> Van: asterisk-users-admin at lists.digium.com namens Michael Shuler=20
> Verzonden: di 9/03/2004 9:40=20
> Aan: asterisk-users at lists.digium.com=20
> CC:=20
> Onderwerp: RE: [Asterisk-Users] windows alternitives to Asterisk?
> =09
> =09
> Contact me at your earliest convenience, we would be immediately =
> interested in the product for our CLEC for provisioning services to our =
> customers.
> =20
> Couple of issues for us:
> =20
> - Would need to support MySQL and Oracle (should be easy to switch to =
> ODBC instead of Postgresql specific functions)
> - Need a way to change settings on * without "reloading"... I found =
> something that is no longer maintained that can do this, see =
> http://www.voip-info.org/tiki-index.php?page=3DAsterisk%20cmd%20DynExtenD=
> B
>      We already got the SIP features in =
> http://bugs.digium.com/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=3D0001086 applied which =
> takes care of adding customers
> - Would need to support virtual PBX concept for a large carrier =
> deployment and thousands of businesses
> - Would need to support management of clustered * servers which should =
> be taken care of by the above 2 links and a shared file system for VM =
> and ACD (which would be cool if it was stored in an SQL DB too)
> And much much more but the above a biggies for us.
>
> ----------------------------------------
> =09
> Michael Shuler, C.E.O.
> BitWise Systems, Inc.
> 1301 W. Pioneer Parkway
> Peoria, IL 61615
> Office: (217) 585-0357
> Cell: (309) 657-6365
> Fax: (309) 213-3500
> E-Mail: mike at bwsys.net
> Customer Service: (877) 976-0711=20
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Devenijn [mailto:asterisk-users-admin at lists.digium.com] =
> On Behalf Of Michael Devenijn
> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 2:11 AM
> To: asterisk-users at lists.digium.com
> Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] windows alternitives to Asterisk?
> =09
> =09
> I'm working on a "abstraction" toolset for asterisk, some screenshots =
> :=20
> =20
> http://www.dkma.be/devenijn/data/tls.jpg
> http://www.dkma.be/devenijn/data/tls1.jpg
> http://www.dkma.be/devenijn/data/tls2.jpg
> http://www.dkma.be/devenijn/data/tls3.jpg
> http://www.dkma.be/devenijn/data/tls4.jpg
> =20
> some technical details :=20
> - Fully based on a Postgresql DB (+/- 40 tables)
> - Extensive use of macro's in the extensions.conf
> - some little patches to the asterisk source (additions) to extend the =
> manager capability
> - a layer between the manager port and the PGSQL written in C (to =
> prevent that each separate client would connect to the manager =
> interface)
> - some AGI scripts (written in C) to fulfill some needs which are not =
> build in asterisk for example :=20
> redirect through drag&drop.
> - A program (written in C) which extracts all the info from de Pgsql =
> and converts it to the needed * conf files upon request=20
> - goal : >>everything<< works on Win32 clients : configuration, =
> outlook integration , panel programs, attendant program ... so we could =
> sell a standard box plug it to the PSTN network and the ethernet, =
> install the sotware on a W32 client and off they go without the explicit =
> knowledge of linux. the sound files (will be uploaded on a FTP on the =
> box and copied to the appropriate destination with the some program as =
> one point above
> =20
> I especially developed these toolset "arround" asterisk, so i do not =
> need the take in account the Asterisk license except for the patches =
> which will be published.=20
> =20
> development status :=20
> - First tests are positive
> - Working on the last "big" point is the extended (graphical call =
> router to easily design IVR's)
> - Working on a .NET SDK which also is a abstraction.
> - Timing end of march ... but as everybody knows .... it could take =
> some more time.
> =20
> Some personal statements :
> - I know it is not very good to develop for windows but this is the =
> only way for me and for th major Small businesses outside ... and if =
> there are some enthousiast to convert it to a linux platform ... go =
> ahead.
> - For the moment it is quit oriented on a combination of ISDN hardware =
> (capi.conf) and cisco phones. once this is working without major bugs i =
> will extend it to (IAX.conf ... and other things)
> - My only goal to develop this is to get asterisk on bigger user basis
> - What i regret is the lack of developement of a interface between =
> asterisk and other software (for windows TAPI for example) i asked many =
> times some basic questions about the manager interface but nobody seems =
> to be interested ! i strongly belief this would be a major break =
> through. but i do not have enough C++ and/or Linux knowledge (and TIME ) =
> to develop these features.=20
> =20
> =20
> The sourcecode ???=20
> =20
> - Well lets play it tricky ... i'm going to publish all of the code =
> under GPL if i see some changes to latest point i mentioned just above. =
> (and don't try to convince me with "ethical" arguments, i'm now trying =
> for 3 years to make some "descent" money with integration of open source =
> software and i see it as a win/win operation)
> =20
> =20
> =20
> Just fire me !!!
> =20
> =20
> =20
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----=20
> Van: asterisk-users-admin at lists.digium.com namens Tilghman Lesher=20
> Verzonden: ma 8/03/2004 21:46=20
> Aan: asterisk-users at lists.digium.com=20
> CC:=20
> Onderwerp: Re: [Asterisk-Users] windows alternitives to Asterisk?
> =09
> =09
>
> On Monday 08 March 2004 13:59, hank smith wrote:
> > is there a program that I can install on my linux box so I can
> > configure the pbx from the internet from my windows box so I don't
> > have to work with config files?
> =09
> In a word, no.  There are a few GUI applications in the process of
> being developed, but most of them are a substitute only for using an
> editor on the Linux machine, not a full-fledged abstraction from the
> configuration.
> =09
> -Tilghman
> =09
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