[Asterisk-Users] The Minimum Cost of Setting up an Asterisk Phone System?

Steven Critchfield critch at basesys.com
Thu Nov 6 10:12:56 MST 2003


On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 15:03, Steve Murphy wrote:
> Everyone--
> 
> Here's a cost analysis, rather crude and inspecific, of using Asterisk
> to implement a phone system. I'm really quite naive and new to all this,
> so I'd appreciate any corrections, tips, pointers, etc, from those in
> the community, who have far greater experience, knowledge, skill, etc.
> than I. Am I forgetting something important? Am I way off in my
> estimates?
> 
> 
> The Minimum Cost of setting up an Asterisk Phone system:
> 
> Fundamental Building Blocks: 
> 
> 1. No more phones serviced than one computer can handle.
> 2. Computer = self-built or whatever, approx. $500 
> 3. OS = Linux. $0
> 4. Phones.
>    Cheap Touch-tone phones: $30 each (Estimate at what I can get
>      at Walmart, quantity one purchases. No digital readout, no
>      programmable features. 

I originally picked up this AT&T 957 phone at Office Max for $30.
Currently the links from froogle show many people offering it for around
$30, and one for $20. (http://tinyurl.com/twyi) Speaker phone, CallerID,
callerid memory, and directory dialing. 

>    Voip Phones $250 estimated per-phone average cost. Realize that
>      costs can vary widely here!
> 5. Channel Banks. Looking at what's available on Ebay, I estimate you
>    should be able to pick up a fully loaded, 24-channel FXS/FXO bank for
>    $650 average. Low = $200  High = $4500. I have no way of telling
>    which channel banks are compatible with asterisk. Assume that they
>    are.
> 6. Digium cards:  FXO card = about $100. FXS card = $125. 
>                   4 port FXS=$300. Prices approx. See their web site
>                                    for exact prices.
>                   quad span T1 (96 lines total) $1500
>                   Single span T1 (24 lines) $500
> 7. Wiring. Cost of Wiring is not calculated. Assume that the premises
>            is wired, with patch panels, closets, etc., already in place.
> 8. UPS, power supplies, etc: Not specifically included in the estimates.
> 
> 9. Used equipment can be cheaper, but: if you need a lot, you may not
> necessarily be able to wait around for everything you need to show up on
> ebay. And what you get may not be what you wanted, etc. 
> 
> 
> Scenarios: 

> 2x8 system:
>             Computer: $500
>             2 FXO   : $200
>             2 4-FXS : $600
>             8 phones: $240
>             --------------
>             Total:  : $1540     cost/phone = $192.25

This option may not work in one PC as you have more than 2 Zapata cards.
You will find it difficult to make the cards sit on their own IRQ, then
you will deal with 4 x 1000 interupts a second on the machine. Not to
mention you will be at the end of your potential expansion in a single
machine. You would find it almost the same price to switch to a T100P
and a channel bank with FXO and FXS ports. This would alleviate
headaches of IRQs, and future expansion is probably just a matter of
plugging in more phones.

> 96 line system ( FXS/FXO mix 88/8)
>             Computer : $ 500
>             QspanT1  : $1500
>             4 ChanBks: $2600
>             88 phones: $2640  
>             ----------------
>             Total:  : $7240     cost/phone = $82.27
> 
> 192 line system (FXS/FXO mix 176/16)
>             Computer : $ 500
>             2 QspT1  : $3000
>             8 ChanBks: $5200
>             176phones: $5280  
>             ----------------
>             Total:  : $13980     cost/phone = $79.43

I have a small problem with the above 2 examples in that they assume you
can get by with 11 users to a phone line. I think this is not normally
possible unless you are dealing as a telco serving residential lines
that don't have dialup internet users. I also don't feel that a $500
computer can sustain 8 T1s of traffic today. Maybe in a year the prices
will have fallen enough so that a $500 PC is adequate. 

I suspect the examples above should be stated more likely as a 
96 line system (FXS/FXO mix 72/T1 or PRI 3 users per line)
	Computer  : $ 500
	QspanT1   : $1500
	3 ChanBks : $1950
	72 Phones : $2160
	-----------------
	Total:    : $6110	costs/phone = $ 84.86

192 line system (FXS/FXO mix 168/T1 or PRI ~7 users per line)
	Computer  : $1000   Needs more power
	2 QspT1   : $3000
	7 ChanBks : $4550
	168 phones: $5040
	-----------------
	Total:    :$13590	costs/phone = $80.89

These also have the potential to save money month after month by having
subscribed to a T1 or PRI link and having more phone lines available for
the employees.

> Voip 24 x 192 Phones, using gnophone on existing comps & network:
>             Computer : $ 500
>             1spanT1  : $ 500
>             1 ChanBnk: $ 650
>             192 gnoph: $   0
>             ----------------
>             Total:  : $1650     cost/phone = $10.18
> 
> Voip 24 x 192 phones, using Voip Phones:
>             Computer : $  500
>             1spanT1  : $  500
>             1 ChanBnk: $  650
>             192 gnoph: $48000
>             switch/hubs: $ ?
>             ----------------
>             Total:  : $49650+     cost/phone = $258.59+

These also have problems. At the point you put 24 lines in a system, you
really should be getting T1 or PRI service. When you do that you remove
the channel bank from each of those examples above.
24x192 gnophones drops to a total of $1000, and cost/phone of $5.20
24x192 hardphones drops to $49000 with a cost/phone at $255.20

As has been mentioned you could get some other models of phones that go
for less than $250 each. Not to mention at the 192 mark there will be
some nice price point drops. 


> Cheap $30 phones are an option, but you will not get:
>     Intercom capability

So far this isn't an option with any of the asterisk systems unless you
use an overhead/loudspeaker solution.

>     Message waiting capability
>     CallerID type stuff.

Both of these are possible, Note features listed above regarding the ATT
957.

> Gnophones may or may not provide intercom, I haven't gotten that far as
> to find out.

I think the closest it supports would be an autoanswer.

> VOIP phones are expensive, but MAY provide intercom, and other fancy
> feature, if Asterisk will allow them. It's not clear yet to me that
> Asterisk will allow intercom. Looks like you might get message waiting.

So far it isn't a question of whether or not asterisk will let you, but
if the VoIP protocol supports this function. So far I think we have
determined that it isn't supported but in th SCCP protocol. Maybe this
should be looked at for IAX2 inclusion and for when someone implements a
full on IAX2 hardphone. I'm betting it wouldn't be too hard to embed the
IAXIE(sp?) into a phone like the ATT 957 and have a relay trip the
speaker phone button when you wanted intercom. 

-- 
Steven Critchfield  <critch at basesys.com>




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